Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Nick Grant]

SilverSixer said:

Oooo. Could have sworn I suggested this a few weeks ago and got rubbished for even thinking it possible.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scotland-could-bec...

And you will again

[andymadmak]

SilverSixer said:

Oooo. Could have sworn I suggested this a few weeks ago and got rubbished for even thinking it possible.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scotland-could-bec...

Erem, it's still rubbish and it's still not possible.

Ms Sturgeon and her colleagues could as easily and as credibly bring forward plans to walk to the moon in flip flops.

Please see it for what it is - desperate posturing by the SNP that actually does more to damage Scotland

[SilverSixer]

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

[confused_buyer]

SilverSixer said:

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

Brussels might, but it isn't up to them.

[technodup]

SilverSixer said:

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

Brussels can think what it wants. The idea that Spain, Belgium or any other state with separatist movements (i.e. most of them in one shape or another) is going to allow some sort of special case for Scotland goes against their own wants.

I also think if she succeeded with this pish there could be a serious backlash here. We DID NOT VOTE for any cobbled together stay in the EU bullst. She, according to the UK constitution (which she's tied to whether she likes it or not) HAS NO fkING MANDATE for anything of this nature.

She's a poisonous wee and wants putting down. Meanwhile the NHS isn't hitting any targets, poor kids aren't going to uni and Govanhill is still a cesspit of poverty and decay. Useless one track mind attention we wee .

[anonymous-user]

SilverSixer said:

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

Not if it also entails sticking one up the pipe of the Madrid government, I'd imagine.

[B'stard Child]

fishwoman said:

“In terms of how Europe looks at the situation, there is clearly a huge amount of goodwill towards Scotland from our friends and neighbours, and there are a number of senior and influential and people across the continent who have made clear they are keen on keeping Scotland in Europe.”

Yep the EU want another Greece........

[SilverSixer]

confused_buyer said:

SilverSixer said:

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

Brussels might, but it isn't up to them.

The deal the UK gets from the EU most certainly is though. We will simply have to accept it or not.

I don't think the barriers to Scottish membership (either an independent Scotland or one still part of a UK, the rest of which is outside the EU) are as big or as impregnable as many like to think. Just a fairly baseless opinion based on feelings. Denmark has a region outside of the EU. There is a precedent, it is plausible that a similar arrangement in the opposite direction could be accommodated.

[technodup]

SilverSixer said:

Denmark has a region outside of the EU.

Is it skinto too?

[SilverSixer]

technodup said:

SilverSixer said:

Denmark has a region outside of the EU.

Is it skinto too?

I don't think anywhere in Europe follows an ancient Japanese religion.

[r11co]

SilverSixer said:

Oooo. Could have sworn I suggested this a few weeks ago and got rubbished for even thinking it possible.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scotland-could-bec...

That's because it isn't possible. The EU constitution doesn't permit it and would have to be re-written. Considering how long it takes the EU to decide on what colour lavatory paper to have I cannot envisage that happening in Nicola Sturgeon's lifetime let alone her term as FM.

Nothing is impossible, but on the list of priorities for the EU I suspect Scotland ranks below the lavvy paper.

SilverSixer said:

Denmark has a region outside of the EU.

Ironic that you mention that. The region is an island in the North Atlantic, which chose not to be part of the EU so as not to lose exclusive fishing rights within its territorial waters.

Edited by r11co on Monday 31st October 15:58

[DocJock]

SilverSixer said:

confused_buyer said:

SilverSixer said:

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

Brussels might, but it isn't up to them.

The deal the UK gets from the EU most certainly is though. We will simply have to accept it or not.

I don't think the barriers to Scottish membership (either an independent Scotland or one still part of a UK, the rest of which is outside the EU) are as big or as impregnable as many like to think. [Just a fairly baseless opinion based on feelings.[/b] Denmark has a region outside of the EU. There is a precedent, it is plausible that a similar arrangement in the opposite direction could be accommodated.

There's only one person arguing a case using 'baseless opinion based on feelings' and that's you.

The Spanish Government has stated, categorically, on several occasions, that it would exercise it's veto of such a proposal. They will play hardball so as not to encourage the Basque separatists.

Their attitude is about as impregnable as it's possible to be.

[SilverSixer]

DocJock said:

SilverSixer said:

confused_buyer said:

SilverSixer said:

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

Brussels might, but it isn't up to them.

The deal the UK gets from the EU most certainly is though. We will simply have to accept it or not.

I don't think the barriers to Scottish membership (either an independent Scotland or one still part of a UK, the rest of which is outside the EU) are as big or as impregnable as many like to think. [Just a fairly baseless opinion based on feelings.[/b] Denmark has a region outside of the EU. There is a precedent, it is plausible that a similar arrangement in the opposite direction could be accommodated.

There's only one person arguing a case using 'baseless opinion based on feelings' and that's you.

The Spanish Government has stated, categorically, on several occasions, that it would exercise it's veto of such a proposal. They will play hardball so as not to encourage the Basque separatists.

Their attitude is about as impregnable as it's possible to be.

You may be right. I may be crazy. But stranger things have happened. I'm just shooting the breeze about it, as per the form in an internet discussion forum.

[confused_buyer]

SilverSixer said:

The deal the UK gets from the EU most certainly is though. We will simply have to accept it or not.

It isn't, actually, or at least that isn't what Article 50 says.

[r11co]

SilverSixer said:

You may be right. I may be crazy. But stranger things have happened. I'm just shooting the breeze about it, as per the form in an internet discussion forum.

You are a dreamer, being dragged along by the false promises and 'whitabootery' of Fat Eck Salmond and his protege Soapy Sturgeon.

What Nippy Nicola is doing at the moment is arguing black is white, purple, or any colour it could purport to be if only we wished it. Utter bks designed to appeal to the single-issue engaged thickazoids persuaded to sign on the electoral roll for the first time in return for 'double dole and haggis pies'. They will happily vote on a wing and a promise. The majority just as the last time will treat such airy-fairyness with the suspicion it deserves and reject whatever 'pig-in-a-poke' deal the SNP come up with next.

It is comical though to watch the SNP play out the Quebec experience almost to the letter - a period of electoral success followed by a long slow decline as the baseless case for separation unravels and it turns into an exercise in maintaining power for as long as possible.

Edited by r11co on Monday 31st October 18:03

[voyds9]

Nick Grant said:

SilverSixer said:

Oooo. Could have sworn I suggested this a few weeks ago and got rubbished for even thinking it possible.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scotland-could-bec...

And you will again

Could be the perfect answer, we leave but the remoaners can claim the UK stayed.

[simoid]

voyds9 said:

Could be the perfect answer, we leave but the remoaners can claim the UK stayed.

I'm aware of your facetiousness here, but to clarify what circumstances would neee this to happen:

- U.K. has an extreme Brexit
- Scotland chooses EU over U.K.
- extreme Brexit means U.K. has borders with EU and trade tariffs
- Scotland now has borders and tariffs with Belfast and Berwick.

AND we've not got a currency or central bank or any money or anything.

It's equivalent to me fking off and living in the woods. It's incredible the lengths to which the nationalists will go to keep their imaginary carrot dangling. It's also incredible grown men and women believe it.

[Stickyfinger]

simoid said:

It's also incredible grown men and women believe it.

Why ?, 62% of them think Brave Heart was a documentary

[Welshbeef]

SilverSixer said:

I think you both underestimate the desire of Brussels to stick one up the pipe of the UK government.

So in that world - who is going to give Scotland the £15billion+ borrowing they need instantly from day 1 year on year until they sort out the public sector overspending?



I loved the way Sweeny keeps saying the SNP have run a balanced budget every year. Not true they spent every single penny they could even IF tax revenues didn't match the spend. In fact they had no interest in understanding that side of the equation.

So yes I'd love rUK to have £15billion cut from the total deficit year on year.


This is also the reason why a reunification of Ireland simply will never happen. Why? Because if it did then ROI suddenly has to raise taxes to all in ROI or cut public sector spending massively to cover it off. As much as ROI have the dream of reunification of Ireland it clearly isn't strong enough for £ not to make them think hmm maybe not.

[simoid]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/30/scottis...

Scaremongery wongery.