Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
r11co said:
The trouble for Sturgeon though is that this is all about gerrymandering the conditions for indyref 2, with still no attention paid to the key questions that scuppered the SNP's argument the last time, only with more complications added in terms of falling oil revenue, increasing debt and an unknown settlement for Scottish membership of the EU if that is the reason people were to be persuaded to vote for independence.
Funnily enough I mentioned exactly that in my response to the consultation.She's a snivelling wee rat who should keep/have kept her mouth firmly shut, assessed the lay of the land over the next couple of years at least and formulated some plan from there.
Rather than giving endless interviews flipping and flopping all over the place, puffing her chest out waffling all sorts of s
te for absolutely zero benefit to anyone. She's given far too much respect by the media- we all know she's diabolical as a 'first minister' in terms of impact, but in terms of the politics of politics she's left seriously wanting there too.Six months of her bleating and literally nothing has changed.
technodup said:
Six months of her bleating and literally nothing has changed.
It has though, for the worse. 'Judge me on my record in education' - that went well. 'We will reform the unfair council tax', except they didn't.This is of course because of the combination of SNP incompetence, lack of direction and a fear of using the powers they have asked for because doing so would surrender the ability to constantly blame others for their failure.
We are approaching an interesting time though - the local council elections will almost certainly see the big-population Labour-controlled councils of Glasgow and Fife fall to the SNP. Interesting because that is when the need of the newly-elected councillors to be seen to be actually helping the community in order to keep their jobs and salaries will clash with the national SNP government's needs to ensure the present Scottish devolution arrangements cannot be seen to be working for fear of undermining the case for independence.
Sturgeon is indeed pasting herself further and further into a corner. You can only be a non-governing government for so long.
r11co said:
technodup said:
Six months of her bleating and literally nothing has changed.
It has though, for the worse. 'Judge me on my record in education' - that went well. 'We will reform the unfair council tax', except they didn't.Why do they give her the airtime?
Surely it should be a quick statement of the country, which you're part of, voted out, you've got no mandate and you've got no powers to arrange indy2 either. Anyway, about the SNHS and education, how's that going? You know the things you're meant to be running you wee runt.
Surely it should be a quick statement of the country, which you're part of, voted out, you've got no mandate and you've got no powers to arrange indy2 either. Anyway, about the SNHS and education, how's that going? You know the things you're meant to be running you wee runt.
ellroy said:
Why do they give her the airtime?
Surely it should be a quick statement of the country, which you're part of, voted out, you've got no mandate and you've got no powers to arrange indy2 either. Anyway, about the SNHS and education, how's that going? You know the things you're meant to be running you wee runt.
Always wondered that myself, but I think the media just like paying the rope out. They all know what the real score is.Surely it should be a quick statement of the country, which you're part of, voted out, you've got no mandate and you've got no powers to arrange indy2 either. Anyway, about the SNHS and education, how's that going? You know the things you're meant to be running you wee runt.
None of them want to spoil the fun by leaning forward and saying 'Just who the f*ck do you think you are? You have absolutely no say in this whatsoever. It's got f*ck all to do with you, why don't you just butt out?'
Nicola Sturgeon said:
I'm not bluffing, honest!
On an entirely unrelated note, I found this post uncovering some of the back-story of Stuart Campbell of Wings Over Scotland notoriety. I've known about his involvement with the sale and distribution of pirate software from his Bath address for a while now, but it appears he regularly and blatantly commits intellectual property theft through the running of his website.
The tale of his failed attempt to sue his former employers is pure schadenfreude.
Troubleatmill said:
She does talk some gibberish.
Someone needs to tell her in no uncertain terms we've got two ears and one mouth for a reason. If she just stfu for five minutes and actually listened e.g. we voted no and the UK voted out, so what a hand picked 'priority' group of Scots voters in a UK referendum want is moot.She might also understand that what isn't said is often as important as what is. The fact she hasn't got any movement from May speaks volumes to me.
Call her bluff. Let's make sure she lives the rest of her miserable life bitterly thinking of 'what could have been'. f
k her.technodup said:
. . . . Call her bluff. Let's make sure she lives the rest of her miserable life bitterly thinking of 'what could have been'. fk her.
For the first request, there is no need to call her bluff. It is already called - Marr pointed out that the economic situation alone makes her pontifications no more than just pathetic empty threats. Westminster will just ignore her, and rightly so.k her.For your final request you require the services of techiedave
Garvin said:
technodup said:
. . . . Call her bluff. Let's make sure she lives the rest of her miserable life bitterly thinking of 'what could have been'. fk her.
For the first request, there is no need to call her bluff. It is already called - Marr pointed out that the economic situation alone makes her pontifications no more than just pathetic empty threats. Westminster will just ignore her, and rightly so.k her.Garvin said:
For your final request you require the services of techiedave
Please don't invite techiedave into the discussion - No good will "come" of itGarvin said:
technodup said:
. . . . Call her bluff. Let's make sure she lives the rest of her miserable life bitterly thinking of 'what could have been'. fk her.
For the first request, there is no need to call her bluff. It is already called - Marr pointed out that the economic situation alone makes her pontifications no more than just pathetic empty threats. Westminster will just ignore her, and rightly so.k her.May needs to tell her we're doing X and you're not part of the plan. One way or another we need this neverendum constantly being dangled just out of reach off the table for the generation we were promised the last time. And with no 'significant extra powers' to Scotland as an IndyLite 'compromise'. It's all or nothing, in the UK or (possibly at some point) in the EU. Real independence doesn't feature in either scenario though, not that I'm expecting her to be honest about it.
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.technodup said:
May needs to tell her we're doing X and you're not part of the plan.
She knows she isn't getting a referendum any time soon, as she knows she isn't going to win a referendum any time soon - especially now the case for "out of the UK but in the EU" has been completely blown out of the water. I have a feeling that SNP vote share will drop back further at the next election as they've not been very good at governing. Have we had "peak SNP"?
The "Independence at whatever cost" group are losing patience with the SNP - where is indyref2? They are also split into "Indy and OUT of the EU" (unhappy with the current stance) and the "Indy and IN the EU" groups (annoyed that their dream is looking impossible in the near-term). The "Independence would be nice" group are realising that the economic case never stacked up (no st, Sherlock). The "why don't we vote SNP as it will annoy Westminster?" crowd are seeing that their schools, police and NHS are suffering so might want a better choice - or at least the SNP held better to account (especially as the hated Tories are pushing rUK ahead rather better than the incompetent SNP administration).
So, the cracks are appearing in the diverse (and sometimes mutually exclusive) groups that they had managed to cram together under the cover of a Saltire.
The trouble is, who will replace them? Labour are still looking dire both north and south of the border. The Tories are probably already polling about as much as they will in the current Scottish generation. The Liberals are a busted flush. UKIP are an "English" party and I think will struggle to get much traction. In other words, I think the SNP would be in a lot more trouble f there were a credible alternative.
The "Independence at whatever cost" group are losing patience with the SNP - where is indyref2? They are also split into "Indy and OUT of the EU" (unhappy with the current stance) and the "Indy and IN the EU" groups (annoyed that their dream is looking impossible in the near-term). The "Independence would be nice" group are realising that the economic case never stacked up (no s
t, Sherlock). The "why don't we vote SNP as it will annoy Westminster?" crowd are seeing that their schools, police and NHS are suffering so might want a better choice - or at least the SNP held better to account (especially as the hated Tories are pushing rUK ahead rather better than the incompetent SNP administration).So, the cracks are appearing in the diverse (and sometimes mutually exclusive) groups that they had managed to cram together under the cover of a Saltire.
The trouble is, who will replace them? Labour are still looking dire both north and south of the border. The Tories are probably already polling about as much as they will in the current Scottish generation. The Liberals are a busted flush. UKIP are an "English" party and I think will struggle to get much traction. In other words, I think the SNP would be in a lot more trouble f there were a credible alternative.
simoid said:
The cries for devolution of immigration intrigue me. Are there any instances of this sort of thing working in practice? Would one have the right to work in Dunbar but not necessarily Berwick?
The sensible approach would be for all costs to be paid by the Government that 'owns' the immigration. Then they can pay tax wherever they like and the risk remain devolved. Not sure that's what she's angling for though.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2017/01/08/nico...
Looks like more people are realising she is bluffing, it's all just hot air and empty threats now, but it's still harming Scotland if you read the comments.
Looks like more people are realising she is bluffing, it's all just hot air and empty threats now, but it's still harming Scotland if you read the comments.
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