Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
BlackLabel said:
It's funny watching Sturgeon trying to balance talk of a 2nd Indy-ref. She has to talk about it enough to keep her SNP core voters happy but she can't talk about it too much otherwise Westminster will call her bluff and she'll actually have to hold the vote at a time where support for independence hasn't increased since the last referendum.
Yup. I've made this point already several times but the penny must be starting to drop for Nippy Niccy too that it was a mistake to use support for remaining in the EU in Scotland as a proxy for support for Scottish independence.Each time she uses the phrase 'being dragged out of the EU against our will' I can imagine the third of SNP voters who support Brexit feeling that little bit more disenfranchised, and the argument that Scotland might re-enter the EU as an independent country is never going to sway staunch unionists who also quite like the idea of the EU - in other words give away something you truly believe in in return from the possibility that your most distrusted enemy may deliver something that you are a little more than ambivilent about?!
As time passes and more and more people accept that Brexit is happening in one form or another, Sturgeon's star will fall faster than it rose as the consequences of her undermining her own credibility come to bear. When the process starts for real her voice will be ignored as everyone will have already heard what she has to say on the matter so repeating it will be boring, and diverting from it will just re-inforce the belief forming that it is she who doesn't have a plan.
Brexit was always going to be a marathon rather than a sprint, and Sturgeon's attempt to snatch a lead on the issue has left her like the runner who overstretches themselves at the start of the race and lags miles behind at the finish. Indeed I think Sturgeon might not even make it to the end of the race - barely into the second week of 2017 and she has publicly ruled out indyref2 for the remainder of this year! The single-issue engaged new recruits will be tearing up their SNP membership cards and cancelling their subscriptions on that news!
Edited by r11co on Monday 9th January 17:14
r11co said:
BlackLabel said:
It's funny watching Sturgeon trying to balance talk of a 2nd Indy-ref. She has to talk about it enough to keep her SNP core voters happy but she can't talk about it too much otherwise Westminster will call her bluff and she'll actually have to hold the vote at a time where support for independence hasn't increased since the last referendum.
Yup. I've made this point already several times but the penny must be starting to drop for Nippy Niccy too that it was a mistake to use support for remaining in the EU in Scotland as a proxy for support for Scottish independence.Each time she uses the phrase 'being dragged out of the EU against our will' I can imagine the third of SNP voters who support Brexit feeling that little bit more disenfranchised, and the argument that Scotland might re-enter the EU as an independent country is never going to sway staunch unionists who also quite like the idea of the EU - in other words give away something you truly believe in in return from the possibility that your most distrusted enemy may deliver something that you are a little more than ambivilent about?!
As time passes and more and more people accept that Brexit is happening in one form or another, Sturgeon's star will fall faster than it rose as the consequences of her undermining her own credibility come to bear. When the process starts for real her voice will be ignored as everyone will have already heard what she has to say on the matter so repeating it will be boring, and diverting from it will just re-inforce the belief forming that it is she who doesn't have a plan.
Brexit was always going to be a marathon rather than a sprint, and Sturgeon's attempt to snatch a lead on the issue has left her like the runner who overstretches themselves at the start of the race and lags miles behind at the finish. Indeed I think Sturgeon might not even make it to the end of the race - barely into the second week of 2017 and she has publicly ruled out indyref2 for the remainder of this year! The single-issue engaged new recruits will be tearing up their SNP membership cards and cancelling their subscriptions on that news!
Edited by r11co on Monday 9th January 17:14
FN2TypeR said:
I wouldn't call her a failure in every respect tbh.
Take her line of employment for example: Being paid a fat salary, free living expenses, plenty of travel, good food n' drinks at various functions and all you have to do is talk colossal amounts of s
te along the way.
She's got it fking made! 
Indeed - she is very successful as a career failurist Take her line of employment for example: Being paid a fat salary, free living expenses, plenty of travel, good food n' drinks at various functions and all you have to do is talk colossal amounts of s
te along the way.She's got it f
king made! 
57 Chevy said:
That's the same back-pedalling that was reported a page ago 
To summarise the last 24 hours for Sturgeon - "I am not bluffing, well actually I was".
Hopefully given shocking snow conditions in France Scotland can draw many who are planning on heading to the Alps - I mean that genuienly.
A great ski resort - small sure but why not make it so much better bigger etc
I'd wager for most people it's what a 6-8 hour drive only fuel cost. So start 3am Sat morning you'd be on the slopes that same day.
A great ski resort - small sure but why not make it so much better bigger etc
I'd wager for most people it's what a 6-8 hour drive only fuel cost. So start 3am Sat morning you'd be on the slopes that same day.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/cost-de...
Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
Alpacaman said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/cost-de...
Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
How is the Barnett formulae reduced to reflect this loss of tax revenue? Or does rUK pick up the tab?Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
Welshbeef said:
Hopefully given shocking snow conditions in France Scotland can draw many who are planning on heading to the Alps - I mean that genuienly.
A great ski resort - small sure but why not make it so much better bigger etc
I'd wager for most people it's what a 6-8 hour drive only fuel cost. So start 3am Sat morning you'd be on the slopes that same day.
I am hoping I need a parrot here A great ski resort - small sure but why not make it so much better bigger etc
I'd wager for most people it's what a 6-8 hour drive only fuel cost. So start 3am Sat morning you'd be on the slopes that same day.
Kenny MacAskill breaks the party line - the dear leader won't be happy.
scotsman said:
Scotland’s economic situation is “worse” than it was in 2014 and will make winning a second referendum on independence more difficult for the Yes side, a former SNP cabinet secretary has said.
Kenny MacAskill, who served as Justice Secretary under Alex Salmond for seven years, said Scotland’s current circumstances mean the odds of achieving independence are “less favourable” than last time around.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/kenny-macaskill-indyref2-harder-to-win-due-to-flagging-economy-1-4335783Kenny MacAskill, who served as Justice Secretary under Alex Salmond for seven years, said Scotland’s current circumstances mean the odds of achieving independence are “less favourable” than last time around.
BlackLabel said:
Wee Jimmy's gonnae no like tha'BlackLabel said:
So Kenny 'wrong actions for the right reasons' MacAskill points out the elephants in the room that Sturgeon is no doubt wholly aware of already, hence her 'I am not bluffing' bluff being so transparent.Kenny MacAskill said:
the Brexit vote had given Nicola Sturgeon a mandate to call another referendum
Err, no it didn't, except by the convoluted interpretation of the manifesto pledge to consider having another referendum due to a 'material change in circumstances', which even then is mendacious as MacAskill and the SNP were pre-supposing that the EU referendum result was a foregone conclusion favouring remain.The main spark that engaged the YeSNPr's was that they were being asked to vote on a binary issue. The SNP's latest attempts to gerrymander indyref2 off the back of a series of unrelated events and complicated arguments is not going to appeal to these 'hard-of-thinkers' who will drift away with time. The process has already begun, with election turnouts falling in Scotland since 2014. The turnout for the Local Council elections in May will be another interesting statistic to measure the staying power of the 'newly engaged'.
Ruth Davidson was interviewed on BBC Scotland yesterday sounding very upbeat and I think she has every right to be. The most vocal and active part of the electorate in Scotland now are IMO the ones who want to preserve the union, and if YeSNPr's having heard that indyref2 isn't happening this year and 'it has something do with Brexit and this and that and the next thing' and think the next vote (Local Council elections) isn't about Yes or No then they will revert to type and not bother to show, leaving dithering Labour to be routed as the unionists don't trust their stance on independence and the Conservatives as the only safe haven for a unionist vote.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 10th January 11:28
Alpacaman said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/cost-de...
Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
at least the rigs will be worth something in scrap value and actually made some money while in service. wait until we in the uk get the bill for decommissioning the wind farms that will achieve neither of the above in their lifetime . Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
wc98 said:
Alpacaman said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/cost-de...
Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
at least the rigs will be worth something in scrap value and actually made some money while in service. wait until we in the uk get the bill for decommissioning the wind farms that will achieve neither of the above in their lifetime . Another blow to her plans as it looks like the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will wipe out any future tax revenue, oh sorry I forgot oil is just a "bonus".
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