Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
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ks for years on end will eventually take its toll.mickytruelove said:
i have a lot of friends that are SNP supporters but i stil cant figure out how they were brain washed.. maybe it was the russians.
Same here. Although "supporters" is an understatement. Sturgeon is a goddess who can do no wrong. They hang on her every word and anyone who even gives a slight hint of neutrality or even disagreement towards her is the devil.I don't get it.... I really don't!
She isn't bluffing though is she. What is she waiting for now we have the way forward and its out of the EU she must surely either call for the Referendum or STFU as she is becoming an embarrassment to Scotland pleading "won't someone listen to me" all across Europe only to be told .... no.
johnxjsc1985 said:
She isn't bluffing though is she. What is she waiting for now we have the way forward and its out of the EU she must surely either call for the Referendum or STFU as she is becoming an embarrassment to Scotland pleading "won't someone listen to me" all across Europe only to be told .... no.
She is bluffing. The whole exercise has been a bluff which hasn't paid off. She'd calculated she'd get major consessions from the UK Gov. in exchange for backing down her implied 'threat' to hold Indyref2, even though she know's there's no appetite for it, and she'd likely loose. Thankfully May hasn't pandered to her in the way previous UK Gov's have, and effectively called her bluff. Hence Sturgeon is looking increasing desperate with hollow threats. Even prominent current and previous SNP members know it would be precisely the wrong time for Indyref2, which would see the concept shattered for a genuine generation if there were two votes against in short sucession. This would throw the SNP into a real political abyss for many years, and potentially remove them from power as their core Indy supporter desert them as a party which cannot deliver.
When we have this vote?
Am I the only one that feels this thread has lost something now all the mad nationalists that used to post have run away to hide/worship at the shrine of her royal nippiness? They were always good for a laugh, quoting wings over somerset as the gospel truth. Even Burger could be relied on to come dashing in with some vague link he though showed the SNP in a good light, and then claim he didn't really support them, but that we were all anti-Scottish for being nasty about them.
Come on Fluffy, tell us we are all wrong and Scotland will be FREEEE any minute now. Perhaps they all off painting their faces and watching Braveheart.
Come on Fluffy, tell us we are all wrong and Scotland will be FREEEE any minute now. Perhaps they all off painting their faces and watching Braveheart.
Alpacaman said:
Am I the only one that feels this thread has lost something now all the mad nationalists that used to post have run away to hide/worship at the shrine of her royal nippiness? They were always good for a laugh, quoting wings over somerset as the gospel truth. Even Burger could be relied on to come dashing in with some vague link he though showed the SNP in a good light, and then claim he didn't really support them, but that we were all anti-Scottish for being nasty about them.
We are slowly approaching Vol 8 - perhaps this will liven up the debateAlpacaman said:
Come on Fluffy, tell us we are all wrong and Scotland will be FREEEE any minute now. Perhaps they all off painting their faces and watching Braveheart.
Now you are just being mean 
gofasterrosssco said:
She is bluffing. The whole exercise has been a bluff which hasn't paid off. She'd calculated she'd get major consessions from the UK Gov. in exchange for backing down her implied 'threat' to hold Indyref2, even though she know's there's no appetite for it, and she'd likely loose.
Thankfully May hasn't pandered to her in the way previous UK Gov's have, and effectively called her bluff. Hence Sturgeon is looking increasing desperate with hollow threats. Even prominent current and previous SNP members know it would be precisely the wrong time for Indyref2, which would see the concept shattered for a genuine generation if there were two votes against in short sucession. This would throw the SNP into a real political abyss for many years, and potentially remove them from power as their core Indy supporter desert them as a party which cannot deliver.
When we have this vote?
Call it for mid February, lets get this sorted once and for all.Thankfully May hasn't pandered to her in the way previous UK Gov's have, and effectively called her bluff. Hence Sturgeon is looking increasing desperate with hollow threats. Even prominent current and previous SNP members know it would be precisely the wrong time for Indyref2, which would see the concept shattered for a genuine generation if there were two votes against in short sucession. This would throw the SNP into a real political abyss for many years, and potentially remove them from power as their core Indy supporter desert them as a party which cannot deliver.
When we have this vote?
Well, for the next 4/5 years anyway,
R E S T E C P said:
Sturgeon is a goddess who can do no wrong. They hang on her every word and anyone who even gives a slight hint of neutrality or even disagreement towards her is the devil.
I don't get it.... I really don't!
The reason is simple. These are people who took no interest in politics whatsoever until one day a Salmondite minion knocked on their door and told them a tail of nasty Tories who run England and Red Tories who run most of Scotland - Thatcher was one, don't you know, as is your local MP/councillor - but there's going to be a vote that if 'we' win it will mean an end to all of that and the Tories will be banished and everyone will get more money because of oil that the Tories have been stealing. All they had to do to make it happen was to sign a form that the minion had already filled in for them (registration to vote) and then turn up on 18th September and put a cross next to the word 'Yes'.I don't get it.... I really don't!
Sturgeon is the heir to Salmond, who was of course cheated out of the great victory and future for 'us' by selfish pensioners only interested in themselves.
These people know nothing of real politics and are blind to the failures of the SNP as they have no historical baseline to compare their activities to.
Alpacaman said:
Am I the only one that feels this thread has lost something now all the mad nationalists that used to post have run away to hide/worship at the shrine of her royal nippiness? They were always good for a laugh, quoting wings over somerset as the gospel truth. Even Burger could be relied on to come dashing in with some vague link he though showed the SNP in a good light, and then claim he didn't really support them, but that we were all anti-Scottish for being nasty about them.
'Our' nationalists didn't fall into the category I describe above. I believe they have fallen silent because they do have perspective and are starting to see that far from being on the brink of victory the SNP are no nearer to achieving their goal than they were in 2014, and a prolonged spell of governance by the incompetents in that party while they wait in hope for the day victory is achieved is a damaging prospect.Despite what Sturgeon says, independence does not transcend everything.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 18th January 12:22
To sum up the SNP's pointless need to centralize everything:
"HIE is not broken. It works. Stop trying to break it."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-polit...
"HIE is not broken. It works. Stop trying to break it."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-polit...
blinkythefish said:
To sum up the SNP's pointless need to centralize everything:
"HIE is not broken. It works. Stop trying to break it."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-polit...
Isn't it odd that the SNP, so driven by devolved power, want so much to centralise everything. So driven by idependence but still want to cling to the EU. They are now just a joke, and a pathetic one at that."HIE is not broken. It works. Stop trying to break it."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-polit...
I, too, have noticed that the fervent SNP and independence supporters seem to have abandoned this thread. Is it too much to hope that they have 'seen the light' and that this is happening across Scotland? Are the Scottish people waking up at long last?
Garvin said:
I, too, have noticed that the fervent SNP and independence supporters seem to have abandoned this thread. Is it too much to hope that they have 'seen the light' and that this is happening across Scotland?
I suspect that they have run out of rational arguments, courtesy of their great leader undermining them.Looking at comments posted after news articles and in social media, it seems the best argument the rampant nats can put forward these days is that independence will happen as a consequence of the rest of the UK's political system imploding ie. not through the positive actions of the SNP.
As for the SNP themselves, many of them are still behaving as if they are on the brink of victory - as if winning indyref 2 is just a matter of scoring the golden goal in extra time, the hard work already having been done in indyref 1 (first half) and the 2015 General Election (second half). The reality of course is that indyref 2 would be a whole new game with a very different looking playing field.
Garvin said:
Isn't it odd that the SNP, so driven by devolved power, want so much to centralise everything. So driven by independence but still want to cling to the EU. They are now just a joke, and a pathetic one at that.
I don't understand why the press or political commentators don't call them out more on this, perhaps they are afraid of the SNP bully brigade. The SNP chastise 'The UK' for wanting to leave its biggest trading partner and yet the SNP call for Scottish 'Independence' leaving its biggest trading partner, only to shackle itself to a union which will make it no longer independent. Just makes them massive hypocrites.sirtyro said:
Garvin said:
Isn't it odd that the SNP, so driven by devolved power, want so much to centralise everything. So driven by independence but still want to cling to the EU. They are now just a joke, and a pathetic one at that.
I don't understand why the press or political commentators don't call them out more on this, perhaps they are afraid of the SNP bully brigade. The SNP chastise 'The UK' for wanting to leave its biggest trading partner and yet the SNP call for Scottish 'Independence' leaving its biggest trading partner, only to shackle itself to a union which will make it no longer independent. Just makes them massive hypocrites.Still, they get away with it every time.
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