Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Hainey]

boxxob said:

Edinburger said:

I haven't read the comments but you sound like a right horrible little dick.

that's the best you can do?

What's wrong when you can't even parody some angry nats without some soppy lip wibblers getting themselves upset.

No he's right, you do sound like a horrible little dick and I'm the diametrically opposite in my politics from 'Burger.

[wc98]

Andy Zarse said:

Mrs Surgeon is getting a bit hot under her bunnet again. All roads seemingly lead to Independence...

I am increasingly curious to learn why would she be content to be dictated to by the EU? Surely Scotland would be a new and very small fish in an even larger pond. She would have to use the Euro. How would this be of any benefit? Her budget would be tightly controlled by the Stability Pact, and there'd be no Barnett formula, so how does this confer independence?

These aren't rhetorical questions incidentally, I am genuinely interested as to her thought process?

many of us are interested in answers to these questions. some have asked, only to be met with a blank stare and a mumble.

[Hainey]

boxxob said:

Hainey said:

boxxob said:

Edinburger said:

I haven't read the comments but you sound like a right horrible little dick.

that's the best you can do?

What's wrong when you can't even parody some angry nats without some soppy lip wibblers getting themselves upset.

No he's right, you do sound like a horrible little dick and I'm the diametrically opposite in my politics from 'Burger.

no, you are both wrong. Little dicks must be on your minds...ewee. Keep up the witless crusading and overlook the clear lack of seriousness.

A wee hint son; when everyone in the room is looking at you like your a tosser, newsflash, you're a tosser.

[AstonZagato]

Hainey said:

boxxob said:

Edinburger said:

I haven't read the comments but you sound like a right horrible little dick.

that's the best you can do?

What's wrong when you can't even parody some angry nats without some soppy lip wibblers getting themselves upset.

No he's right, you do sound like a horrible little dick and I'm the diametrically opposite in my politics from 'Burger.

I loathe the SNP but I like the Scots and Scotland too much to have any time for that type of anti-Scottish bile.

[Stickyfinger]

Just remember "I loathe the SNP" would get you a good kicking because you said that in an English accent alone, the increase in that reaction is proportionally related to the Anti English bile that a large % of Scots now believe [thanks to the methods of the SNP].

There has been a seed change since they have been in power, one which shames my birth place and heritage. I would say the rise of racism (or if you wish bigotry) is being encouraged and used for their gain politically. They have both encouraged and exploited the old friendly rivalry to new and extraordinary levels of hate.

I am a proud Scot born/parented and educated.

[Garvin]

Andy Zarse said:

Mrs Surgeon is getting a bit hot under her bunnet again. All roads seemingly lead to Independence...

I am increasingly curious to learn why would she be content to be dictated to by the EU? Surely Scotland would be a new and very small fish in an even larger pond. She would have to use the Euro. How would this be of any benefit? Her budget would be tightly controlled by the Stability Pact, and there'd be no Barnett formula, so how does this confer independence?

These aren't rhetorical questions incidentally, I am genuinely interested as to her thought process?

Are you sure they are not rhetorical questions? If you are truly confused allow me to help you.

This is a person who has been involved in politics, and politics alone, for all her adult life. She knows nothing of the 'real world' and her politics have only ever had one goal - Scottish independence from the English. Nothing to do with the well being of Scotland, it's betterment etc. just straight forward, highly blinkered, focussed on one, and one only, political goal.

Therefore, every action is in support of that cause and that cause alone and she employs a simple technique - drive division and resentment amongst your fellow countrymen so they hate the English and support her achieving her political goal which is not independence per se but independence from the English. It is racism and bigotry of the highest order.

However, this is now in conflict with the personal goal that all career politicians come to acquire - that of staying in power.

She is now walking a tightrope as to go full on with the drive to achieve the political goal and fail may well put an end to her personal goal. To go full on and be successful in achievement of her political goal may also put an end to her personal goal as there is no further need for the SNP.

Faced with this dilemma and an abundance of gullible voters then the deployment of conflicting ideas and policies and maintaining any integrity or credibility outside the tight knit group of hard of thinking supporters pales into insignificance compared with maintaining life support to both the political and personal goals.

The real question is when will Scotland wake up?

[dromong]

Many Scots including myself are already very much awake!, the bigoted racist that leads the SNP is the hated one from the many discussions I have, conversely I hear nobody that hates England or the English in my area, the supposed hatred is being fuelled by Sturgeon and her band of Cretins, not the Scots in general.

[Sway]

dromong said:

Many Scots including myself are already very much awake!, the bigoted racist that leads the SNP is the hated one from the many discussions I have, conversely I hear nobody that hates England or the English in my area, the supposed hatred is being fuelled by Sturgeon and her band of Cretins, not the Scots in general.

Agreed, however the vast majority of the UK population don't hear the voices of chaps such s yourself - the only Scottish mouthpiece is Sturgeon, who constantly repeats comments about the size of her mandate.

As such, she is seriously (as we see above) harming the perception of Scots in the wider country.

I personally despise this, as I've spent enough time working in Scotland to see through this. Although my views of the Scots have been soured by the anti-English bile I've experienced from colleagues I thought were intelligent, considered and open minded... Again, I blame the SNP for stoking this.

Now the electoral system has been subverted into a proxy for indyref, I cannot see an answer - one party hoovering up all the votes for one view on one policy versus a split vote for the other view on that policy means I cannot see a mechanism whereby a broader view of the opinion of the Scottish people can be presented by the media across the UK.

[anonymous-user]

boxxob said:

and many of the comments are driving the point home. She's looking more like a domestic terrorist, backed by an army of deluded bigots. Sieze islay, the orkneys and all the other useful bits and then annexe and embargo these pricks. You had your chance, scotchies, but now it's time to fk off out of our hair and of our purse!!!

Made me chuckle, a few parrots due for some I think.

(Half-scotchie myself, thanks Ma )

[Don1]

Neverendum Nicola's shrieking must have hit ultrasonic at the High Court news.

[techguyone]

wc98 said:

Andy Zarse said:

Mrs Surgeon is getting a bit hot under her bunnet again. All roads seemingly lead to Independence...

I am increasingly curious to learn why would she be content to be dictated to by the EU? Surely Scotland would be a new and very small fish in an even larger pond. She would have to use the Euro. How would this be of any benefit? Her budget would be tightly controlled by the Stability Pact, and there'd be no Barnett formula, so how does this confer independence?

These aren't rhetorical questions incidentally, I am genuinely interested as to her thought process?

many of us are interested in answers to these questions. some have asked, only to be met with a blank stare and a mumble.

Because

'Anyone except the English'

[kowalski655]

donutsina911 said:

Concise summary here:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturge...

So, that article says that she is frozen out of foreign policy by EU rules..the same EU that she is so desperate to get us under the jackboot of! Oh the irony!
But Scotland does have a voice in this...their MPs in Westminster.Sadly those up here who dont support the blessed Nicola are the ones who have fk all representation

[r11co]

boxxob said:

Oh, well. It's futile if you have to explain it...

I got it

The 'domestic terrorist' description I though was particularly good!

Mike Russell was on Radio Scotland this morning. If I didn't know that he was an arrogant st and the main architect of the recent destruction of Scotland's education system I would think that from listening to him that he is a reasonable-sounding chap capable of presenting an argument beyond 'independence is everything'.

I can understand why Sturgeon put him front-and-centre for Brexit as to the uninitiated English media he comes across as almost rational.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 25th January 11:06

[Anglade]

Andy Zarse said:

Mrs Surgeon is getting a bit hot under her bunnet again. All roads seemingly lead to Independence...

I am increasingly curious to learn why would she be content to be dictated to by the EU? Surely Scotland would be a new and very small fish in an even larger pond. She would have to use the Euro. How would this be of any benefit? Her budget would be tightly controlled by the Stability Pact, and there'd be no Barnett formula, so how does this confer independence?

These aren't rhetorical questions incidentally, I am genuinely interested as to her thought process?

This is the whole problem with Stugeon's logic.
The Scottish people voted for the UK to remain in the EU.
For Scotland alone to be in the EU - as a tiny country struggling economically and without the UK's opt-outs nor influence - is a very different proposition to that decided in the EU referendum...

[r11co]

Anglade said:

This is the whole problem with Stugeon's logic.
The Scottish people voted for the UK to remain in the EU.

Indeed, but even then a lot fewer of them voted for the above than voted for Scotland to remain part of the UK.

Sturgeon thought that she could use the former group to steer support for independence from the latter group, but if anything the opposite is happening. She is alienating her pro-SNP, anti-EU core while convincing no-one that Scottish independence is an easy path back to EU membership.

[ianrb]

So which union, EU or UK, is most important to Scotland in commercial terms?

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Econo...

I know it's an old argument, but these statistics have just been updated.

[simoid]

ianrb said:

So which union, EU or UK, is most important to Scotland in commercial terms?

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Econo...

I know it's an old argument, but these statistics have just been updated.

I have the SNP diagram:

[barryrs]

Dont forget the Arc of prosperity that also misses out the English

[Cobnapint]

ianrb said:

So which union, EU or UK, is most important to Scotland in commercial terms?

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Econo...

I know it's an old argument, but these statistics have just been updated.

You have to watch the start of the Daily Politics today. JoCo was interviewing Stuart Hosie on this very subject and she had him cornered like a rat, even more so when Andrew Neil couldn't carry on listening to his bullsh*t and chipped in a couple of times to make him look the lying tw*t that he is.

[Order66]

Cobnapint said:

You have to watch the start of the Daily Politics today. JoCo was interviewing Stuart Hosie on this very subject and she had him cornered like a rat, even more so when Andrew Neil couldn't carry on listening to his bullsh*t and chipped in a couple of times to make him look the lying tw*t that he is.

Yes, Hosie made to look very desperate that he was effectively disagreeing with the Scottish Governments own figures:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08c00jy/dail...