Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

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gofasterrosssco

1,238 posts

237 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Leithen said:
gofasterrosssco said:
Strocky said:
technodup said:
Leithen said:
Look at the Motorway network in Scotland. Look where the Motorways don't go. Says it all really.
Says fk all really. We don't even have a proper motorway between Glasgow and Edinburgh yet, never mind any diddy towns.

Although it is finally underway. Only 40 years late.
Ahh but that's the advantages of pooling and sharing our resources
Given the road quantity vs. population, I think we do alright..
The point is, the majority of Scotland have fk all knowledge about what happens in the larger part of Scotland that is not the Central Belt.
I completely agree.

Strocky

2,650 posts

114 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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r11co said:
Strocky said:
Ahh but that's the advantages of pooling and sharing our resources
Road building is a wholly devolved issue, and the SNP have been dragging their heels about it since 2008.
I know your from the Paisley area but cars aren't a recent phenomenon tongue out

Timmy40

12,915 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Leithen said:
It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
As I say, Braveheart has a lot to answer for. Most of the public are pretty stupid, and if you can get votes by pandering to the opinion of an extremely ill informed group of voters then that's what the SNP and other parties will do. I suppose if you live on an estate in Glasgow you'd have no idea about the realities of making a living in a countryside that might as well be a fairy tale to them.

And as you say the fact that without investment the highlands will just end up covered in bracken and the occasional empty house won't matter a toss to the SNP because that's not where there core vote comes from.

gofasterrosssco

1,238 posts

237 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Strocky said:
r11co said:
Strocky said:
Ahh but that's the advantages of pooling and sharing our resources
Road building is a wholly devolved issue, and the SNP have been dragging their heels about it since 2008.
I know your from the Paisley area but cars aren't a recent phenomenon tongue out
And neither was the Scottish Office wink

Edinburger

10,403 posts

169 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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r11co said:
andymadmak said:
Well I would hardly expect them to abandon the place overnight given that they are based in Scotland. But lets wait and see how many of them are still there in say 5 years time.......
I have it on good authority that the exodus has begun.........
yes
One well known Scottish high street name is already in the process of being detached from its parent company. Exit by stealth.

Of course, the SNP cultists will welcome these moves as it gives them yet another enemy to attack.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 25th June 14:19
I know more about that particular situation than I'm prepared to share here but that's not "exit by stealth". Oh, and you do know they own Yorkshire Bank too?

NoNeed

15,137 posts

201 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
Trollburger said:
Roll on the summer holidays, eh?
You off to Cornwall?
Yes actually - I'll briefly have a few days in Penzance in July. laugh

Which is odd because according to what I read here I hate England. confused
well you fo measure evertbing against the English, I mentioned Scottish education and your firat response was how is the English one.



AC43

11,493 posts

209 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Leithen said:
Edinburger said:
True that there are geograhical reasons for the population distribution in Scotland but when you say "much of this was due to the Industrial Revolution drawing people off the land and into the cities" that is also true. Another reason is the Highland Clearances but let's not go there.

Scotland'd population is just over 5m. We don't need cities all over the country. Infrastructure for remoter communites, trade, tourism, etc., yes. But in perspective.

Back on topic, there is a disproportionate and unsen share of land ownership and that's what this is trying to address.
What is disproportionate though? I currently farm 1000 acres of lowland arable/pasture/moorland. It's just profitable. Comes no-where near offering a reasonable return on capital value. 10,000 acres of highland ground is far less profitable. In fact it's fundamentally unviable unless you have deep pockets and want to throw money at having a nice place to live.

As a family we've been at this a while - as far back as I can go via records, 400+ years. I'm happy to go back to the Highland Clearances - we were tenant farmers on Loch Tayside back then, so have some knowledge of what really happened, not just the picture that has been painted in recent years.

We've bought and sold larger areas of Highland ground and come up hard against the political belief that individuals or businesses shouldn't own more than a certain area or size of estate. It's complete and utter fking madness. The size of ground that can support 100 Cows in the lowlands is not the same as in the Highlands. You don't need a fking PHD to work out that you need more ground.

What the current Establishment (yes, the SNP are now the Establishment in Scotland) want is control over everything. Ignore the fact that rich idiots that want to invest money in large areas of Wilderness are a fking godsend to their local communities.

Here's a picture for you - you're in a charge of a deprived area of a country, with far fewer opportunities that other parts have. A bloke who invented plastic and cardboard packaging and made billions turns up and loves the place, buys into it, employs people, invests millions. What do you do? Say thank you and do whatever you can to continue to encourage inward investment? Or do you tell him to bugger off?

It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
Last time I want to the Highlands I was struck by the fact that loads of the shops and small businesses were being run by English these days.........

Do the SNP want their money and hard work or not?


Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Leithen said:
What is disproportionate though? I currently farm 1000 acres of lowland arable/pasture/moorland. It's just profitable. Comes no-where near offering a reasonable return on capital value. 10,000 acres of highland ground is far less profitable. In fact it's fundamentally unviable unless you have deep pockets and want to throw money at having a nice place to live.

As a family we've been at this a while - as far back as I can go via records, 400+ years. I'm happy to go back to the Highland Clearances - we were tenant farmers on Loch Tayside back then, so have some knowledge of what really happened, not just the picture that has been painted in recent years.

We've bought and sold larger areas of Highland ground and come up hard against the political belief that individuals or businesses shouldn't own more than a certain area or size of estate. It's complete and utter fking madness. The size of ground that can support 100 Cows in the lowlands is not the same as in the Highlands. You don't need a fking PHD to work out that you need more ground.

What the current Establishment (yes, the SNP are now the Establishment in Scotland) want is control over everything. Ignore the fact that rich idiots that want to invest money in large areas of Wilderness are a fking godsend to their local communities.

Here's a picture for you - you're in a charge of a deprived area of a country, with far fewer opportunities that other parts have. A bloke who invented plastic and cardboard packaging and made billions turns up and loves the place, buys into it, employs people, invests millions. What do you do? Say thank you and do whatever you can to continue to encourage inward investment? Or do you tell him to bugger off?

It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
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r11co

6,244 posts

231 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Timmy40 said:
As I say, Braveheart has a lot to answer for. Most of the public are pretty stupid, and if you can get votes by pandering to the opinion of an extremely ill informed group of voters then that's what the SNP and other parties will do.
The SNP do more than pander to opinions - they distort opinions (I mean, what the f'k is a 'Red Tory'*?) by feeding misinformation to an otherwise ignorant group of the population in the form of a narrative that states they are liberators from all oppressors real or imaginary, and that people should implicitly distrust any other source of information bar theirs.

(SNP cultists will tell you that a Red Tory is a Labour MP who voted in favour of £30bn austerity cuts and the removal of the spare room subsidy as proposed by the last coalition government, which of course hansard tells us does not exist as no Labour MP voted in the way the SNP alleged, nor did many Liberal MPs - one notable example being Charles Kennedy, yet the SNP then used the lable to refer to every standing Labour and Liberal MP in Scotland - a fiction manufactured to fit their narrative).

Edited by r11co on Friday 26th June 02:37

barryrs

4,392 posts

224 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Edinburger said:
I know more about that particular situation than I'm prepared to share here but that's not "exit by stealth". Oh, and you do know they own Yorkshire Bank too?
More NDA's no doubt.

r11co

6,244 posts

231 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Edinburger said:
I know more about that particular situation than I'm prepared to share here.....
I know a fair bit about it too, including details furnished by one of their higher ranking staffers who sat in the pub with me on the night of the referendum drinking only soft drinks because he was 'on-call' in the event of a Yes vote and the expected run on the banks that would result. He told me they were ready with a letter/email/text to go out to their customers who had expressed concern about independence, assuring them that their accounts would be moved to safe addresses on first business Friday morning. It was a move they knew would provoke negative publicity from the SNP but it was considered a pragmatic move because of the uncertainty caused by Salmond's fudging of the currency issue and the certain knowledge that two of his options were already off the table.

By closing time and the announcement of the first few wards he was (thankfully) confident enough to have a beer! biggrin

Hope over fear? Madness over common sense more like. The continued stasis of government in Scotland caused by a leading party neglecting its day-to-day duties while it pursues a campaign that could lead to businesses being stranded in a nation state with no framework to control or monitor monetary policy, no definite currency plans and being run by that self same party with no credible record of governance is driving a more controlled, under-the-radar exit.

If you want a historical precedent of the economic decline caused by prolonged uncertainty over sovereignty of an area being run by a party threatening to break away from the larger state simply look to Montreal/Quebec.


Montreal Gazette said:
Gazette front page from Jan. 7, 1978. Insurance giant Sun Life left the city for Toronto shortly after the Parti Québécois took power for the first time.
Edited by r11co on Friday 26th June 08:01

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

243 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Leithen said:
What is disproportionate though? I currently farm 1000 acres of lowland arable/pasture/moorland. It's just profitable. Comes no-where near offering a reasonable return on capital value. 10,000 acres of highland ground is far less profitable. In fact it's fundamentally unviable unless you have deep pockets and want to throw money at having a nice place to live.

As a family we've been at this a while - as far back as I can go via records, 400+ years. I'm happy to go back to the Highland Clearances - we were tenant farmers on Loch Tayside back then, so have some knowledge of what really happened, not just the picture that has been painted in recent years.

We've bought and sold larger areas of Highland ground and come up hard against the political belief that individuals or businesses shouldn't own more than a certain area or size of estate. It's complete and utter fking madness. The size of ground that can support 100 Cows in the lowlands is not the same as in the Highlands. You don't need a fking PHD to work out that you need more ground.

What the current Establishment (yes, the SNP are now the Establishment in Scotland) want is control over everything. Ignore the fact that rich idiots that want to invest money in large areas of Wilderness are a fking godsend to their local communities.

Here's a picture for you - you're in a charge of a deprived area of a country, with far fewer opportunities that other parts have. A bloke who invented plastic and cardboard packaging and made billions turns up and loves the place, buys into it, employs people, invests millions. What do you do? Say thank you and do whatever you can to continue to encourage inward investment? Or do you tell him to bugger off?

It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
Outstanding post.

It's possible to buy circa 10,000 acres in the highlands for the price of a 2 bed flat in Wimbledon. Many of the estates for sale currently have been on the market for several years.

What there was of a market has in all likelihood just been cut off at the knees.

An appalling misstep.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

169 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Leithen said:
Edinburger said:
True that there are geograhical reasons for the population distribution in Scotland but when you say "much of this was due to the Industrial Revolution drawing people off the land and into the cities" that is also true. Another reason is the Highland Clearances but let's not go there.

Scotland'd population is just over 5m. We don't need cities all over the country. Infrastructure for remoter communites, trade, tourism, etc., yes. But in perspective.

Back on topic, there is a disproportionate and unsen share of land ownership and that's what this is trying to address.
What is disproportionate though? I currently farm 1000 acres of lowland arable/pasture/moorland. It's just profitable. Comes no-where near offering a reasonable return on capital value. 10,000 acres of highland ground is far less profitable. In fact it's fundamentally unviable unless you have deep pockets and want to throw money at having a nice place to live.

As a family we've been at this a while - as far back as I can go via records, 400+ years. I'm happy to go back to the Highland Clearances - we were tenant farmers on Loch Tayside back then, so have some knowledge of what really happened, not just the picture that has been painted in recent years.

We've bought and sold larger areas of Highland ground and come up hard against the political belief that individuals or businesses shouldn't own more than a certain area or size of estate. It's complete and utter fking madness. The size of ground that can support 100 Cows in the lowlands is not the same as in the Highlands. You don't need a fking PHD to work out that you need more ground.

What the current Establishment (yes, the SNP are now the Establishment in Scotland) want is control over everything. Ignore the fact that rich idiots that want to invest money in large areas of Wilderness are a fking godsend to their local communities.

Here's a picture for you - you're in a charge of a deprived area of a country, with far fewer opportunities that other parts have. A bloke who invented plastic and cardboard packaging and made billions turns up and loves the place, buys into it, employs people, invests millions. What do you do? Say thank you and do whatever you can to continue to encourage inward investment? Or do you tell him to bugger off?

It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
Good post. No one is disputing anything you said.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

169 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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AC43 said:
Leithen said:
Edinburger said:
True that there are geograhical reasons for the population distribution in Scotland but when you say "much of this was due to the Industrial Revolution drawing people off the land and into the cities" that is also true. Another reason is the Highland Clearances but let's not go there.

Scotland'd population is just over 5m. We don't need cities all over the country. Infrastructure for remoter communites, trade, tourism, etc., yes. But in perspective.

Back on topic, there is a disproportionate and unsen share of land ownership and that's what this is trying to address.
What is disproportionate though? I currently farm 1000 acres of lowland arable/pasture/moorland. It's just profitable. Comes no-where near offering a reasonable return on capital value. 10,000 acres of highland ground is far less profitable. In fact it's fundamentally unviable unless you have deep pockets and want to throw money at having a nice place to live.

As a family we've been at this a while - as far back as I can go via records, 400+ years. I'm happy to go back to the Highland Clearances - we were tenant farmers on Loch Tayside back then, so have some knowledge of what really happened, not just the picture that has been painted in recent years.

We've bought and sold larger areas of Highland ground and come up hard against the political belief that individuals or businesses shouldn't own more than a certain area or size of estate. It's complete and utter fking madness. The size of ground that can support 100 Cows in the lowlands is not the same as in the Highlands. You don't need a fking PHD to work out that you need more ground.

What the current Establishment (yes, the SNP are now the Establishment in Scotland) want is control over everything. Ignore the fact that rich idiots that want to invest money in large areas of Wilderness are a fking godsend to their local communities.

Here's a picture for you - you're in a charge of a deprived area of a country, with far fewer opportunities that other parts have. A bloke who invented plastic and cardboard packaging and made billions turns up and loves the place, buys into it, employs people, invests millions. What do you do? Say thank you and do whatever you can to continue to encourage inward investment? Or do you tell him to bugger off?

It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
Last time I want to the Highlands I was struck by the fact that loads of the shops and small businesses were being run by English these days.........

Do the SNP want their money and hard work or not?
AC - I think you must be mistaken.

You're suggesting that some En..., Eng..., English people are running shops and small businesses in the Highlands?

Really...?!?!?!

Yet according to this thread all English people are chased out of town by Yesers carrying tartan pitchforks? According to this thread English people are threatened, abused and beaten up the minute they say "Y'whaaat?".

I'm kidding of course wink

Edinburger

10,403 posts

169 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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r11co said:
Edinburger said:
I know more about that particular situation than I'm prepared to share here.....
I know a fair bit about it too, including details furnished by one of their higher ranking staffers who sat in the pub with me on the night of the referendum drinking only soft drinks because he was 'on-call' in the event of a Yes vote and the expected run on the banks that would result. He told me they were ready with a letter/email/text to go out to their customers who had expressed concern about independence, assuring them that their accounts would be moved to safe addresses on first business Friday morning. It was a move they knew would provoke negative publicity from the SNP but it was considered a pragmatic move because of the uncertainty caused by Salmond's fudging of the currency issue and the certain knowledge that two of his options were already off the table.

By closing time and the announcement of the first few wards he was (thankfully) confident enough to have a beer! biggrin

Hope over fear? Madness over common sense more like. The continued stasis of government in Scotland caused by a leading party neglecting its day-to-day duties while it pursues a campaign that could lead to businesses being stranded in a nation state with no framework to control or monitor monetary policy, no definite currency plans and being run by that self same party with no credible record of governance is driving a more controlled, under-the-radar exit.

If you want a historical precedent of the economic decline caused by prolonged uncertainty over sovereignty of an area being run by a party threatening to break away from the larger state simply look to Montreal/Quebec.


Montreal Gazette said:
Gazette front page from Jan. 7, 1978. Insurance giant Sun Life left the city for Toronto shortly after the Parti Québécois took power for the first time.
Edited by r11co on Friday 26th June 02:48
Yes, very good. But my point was that the NAB was used as an example of the claimed "exit by stealth" leading to the claimed listing/closure of Clydesdale Bank.

I've seen no suggestion that NAB's strategic review is in any way connected to Scottish independence. Yorkshire Bank (also owned by NAB) is in the same situation as as Clydesdale so it's odd that the good people of England should suffer too, surely?

neelyp

1,691 posts

212 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Edinburger said:
Leithen said:
Edinburger said:
True that there are geograhical reasons for the population distribution in Scotland but when you say "much of this was due to the Industrial Revolution drawing people off the land and into the cities" that is also true. Another reason is the Highland Clearances but let's not go there.

Scotland'd population is just over 5m. We don't need cities all over the country. Infrastructure for remoter communites, trade, tourism, etc., yes. But in perspective.

Back on topic, there is a disproportionate and unsen share of land ownership and that's what this is trying to address.
What is disproportionate though? I currently farm 1000 acres of lowland arable/pasture/moorland. It's just profitable. Comes no-where near offering a reasonable return on capital value. 10,000 acres of highland ground is far less profitable. In fact it's fundamentally unviable unless you have deep pockets and want to throw money at having a nice place to live.

As a family we've been at this a while - as far back as I can go via records, 400+ years. I'm happy to go back to the Highland Clearances - we were tenant farmers on Loch Tayside back then, so have some knowledge of what really happened, not just the picture that has been painted in recent years.

We've bought and sold larger areas of Highland ground and come up hard against the political belief that individuals or businesses shouldn't own more than a certain area or size of estate. It's complete and utter fking madness. The size of ground that can support 100 Cows in the lowlands is not the same as in the Highlands. You don't need a fking PHD to work out that you need more ground.

What the current Establishment (yes, the SNP are now the Establishment in Scotland) want is control over everything. Ignore the fact that rich idiots that want to invest money in large areas of Wilderness are a fking godsend to their local communities.

Here's a picture for you - you're in a charge of a deprived area of a country, with far fewer opportunities that other parts have. A bloke who invented plastic and cardboard packaging and made billions turns up and loves the place, buys into it, employs people, invests millions. What do you do? Say thank you and do whatever you can to continue to encourage inward investment? Or do you tell him to bugger off?

It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
Good post. No one is disputing anything you said.
You disputed it in the your post that Leithen quoted.
If there was a gold medal for back pedalling at The Olympics, you'd be on the top step of the podium every time.

r11co

6,244 posts

231 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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For the record - I malformed the hyperlink to the Montreal Gazette article in my post. I have corrected it now but it will still be the wrong one in Edinburger's quote.

The article is long but worth a read for anyone who takes the debate over separatism seriously. It is a non-partisan analysis of a situation that is a model for what is already happening and what will go wrong in Scotland under the SNP. Cultists do not like it when the parallels between the SNP and the Nazi party are discussed, but they will find it very difficult to refute the very clear parallels between the Quebecois situation and their own.

The comparison even stems to the governments enforcing cultural requirements on education and broadcasting - in Quebec it was the insistence of the use of the French language despite it being the minority language among the population. In Scotland of course there is the mandating of Scottish literature and history in the curriculum, BBC Alba, bi-lingual road signs etc.

Just one comment from the article...
Vinny Stalos said:
NOBODY WANTS TO INVEST IN AN ECONOMY THAT IS SO UNCERTAIN AS QUEBECS. GET RID OF THE SEPARATION DEBATE, LOCK IT AWAY. LOSE THE POLITICAL ATTITUDES. EVERYONE IS EQUAL. FRENCH AND ENGLISH WRITINGS ARE THE SAME SIZE. ABOLISH THE OQLF. RELEASE THE HOUNDS. ENOUGH WITH THIS CHILDISH DEBACLE. Even then when all of this is done it will take a long time to recover. Montreal is/was a great city, as for the future i hope the separatists are making good wages because you think taxes are high now, wait until you get what you want.
Edited by r11co on Friday 26th June 08:25

Strocky

2,650 posts

114 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Leithen said:
Edinburger said:
True that there are geograhical reasons for the population distribution in Scotland but when you say "much of this was due to the Industrial Revolution drawing people off the land and into the cities" that is also true. Another reason is the Highland Clearances but let's not go there.

Scotland'd population is just over 5m. We don't need cities all over the country. Infrastructure for remoter communites, trade, tourism, etc., yes. But in perspective.

Back on topic, there is a disproportionate and unsen share of land ownership and that's what this is trying to address.
What is disproportionate though? I currently farm 1000 acres of lowland arable/pasture/moorland. It's just profitable. Comes no-where near offering a reasonable return on capital value. 10,000 acres of highland ground is far less profitable. In fact it's fundamentally unviable unless you have deep pockets and want to throw money at having a nice place to live.

As a family we've been at this a while - as far back as I can go via records, 400+ years. I'm happy to go back to the Highland Clearances - we were tenant farmers on Loch Tayside back then, so have some knowledge of what really happened, not just the picture that has been painted in recent years.

We've bought and sold larger areas of Highland ground and come up hard against the political belief that individuals or businesses shouldn't own more than a certain area or size of estate. It's complete and utter fking madness. The size of ground that can support 100 Cows in the lowlands is not the same as in the Highlands. You don't need a fking PHD to work out that you need more ground.

What the current Establishment (yes, the SNP are now the Establishment in Scotland) want is control over everything. Ignore the fact that rich idiots that want to invest money in large areas of Wilderness are a fking godsend to their local communities.

Here's a picture for you - you're in a charge of a deprived area of a country, with far fewer opportunities that other parts have. A bloke who invented plastic and cardboard packaging and made billions turns up and loves the place, buys into it, employs people, invests millions. What do you do? Say thank you and do whatever you can to continue to encourage inward investment? Or do you tell him to bugger off?

It's almost as if there are a bunch of people who have a fairytale idea of crofting in the Highlands, owning a few acres, a couple of cows and believe that miraculously it's a viable living.

It isn't.
Very commendable, however as far as I can see, the land reform act would be a tool to force absentee landlords who hold large swathes of land in trust to either get off their arses and invest or allow (if there is an appetite) the local community to invest in affordable housing or small farming

In your case you would have nothing to worry about as you are utilising the land

There also are some landowners whose fore-bearers grabbed land in less than a salubrious manner

But shrieking "Mugabe landgrabs" is more headline grabbing than the proposed reality

I do find it amusing when Scottish Tory voting Landowners shriek about using the ECHR to fight the proposed reform as their party is trying their best to repeal the HRA

Strocky

2,650 posts

114 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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gofasterrosssco said:
Strocky said:
r11co said:
Strocky said:
Ahh but that's the advantages of pooling and sharing our resources
Road building is a wholly devolved issue, and the SNP have been dragging their heels about it since 2008.
I know your from the Paisley area but cars aren't a recent phenomenon tongue out
And neither was the Scottish Office wink
The fact that the A9 was never duelled during the oil boom time tells it's own story about Younger, Rifkind, Lang & Forsyth

Strocky

2,650 posts

114 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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AC43 said:
Last time I want to the Highlands I was struck by the fact that loads of the shops and small businesses were being run by English these days.........

Do the SNP want their money and hard work or not?
Mostly people who decided they would be financially better off by selling off their property down South (at a good profit) and relocate to work/semi retire

Your assumption that there is some whole scale persecution by the SNP or their supporters against English business owners is ludicrous and offensive

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