Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[technodup]

The fktards seem to be creaming themselves because last time they 'started at 30%' and got to 45. This time they're starting from 45% so their logic figures it's a stick on.

Naturally they're forgetting that the last ones are the hardest to convert, that many of their 45 have switched the other way and that their position is less credible now than in 2014.

[r11co]

technodup said:

The fktards seem to be creaming themselves because last time they 'started at 30%' and got to 45. This time they're starting from 45% so their logic figures it's a stick on.

'Whitabootery' and 'whatiffery' are all the separatists have. My brother-in-law is a fully paid-up cultist (even down to his 'Wings in Support of Intellectual Property Thief' subscription) and his facebook posts amount to comments like 'when the inevitable economic fallout from Brexit happens that will make independence look more attractive' and similar st.

He also posted without a hint of irony a graph showing the three most prosperous nations in terms of economic growth - Norway, Canada and Switzerland - with a comment that 'small nations' can be prosperous. I would have been wasting my time pointing out that Switzerland prospers because it remains steadfastly out of the Eurozone and the EU, that Norway also has a fractious relationship with the EU, and Canada....?! Not 'small', and a shining example a nation that successfully fought-off the political machinations of a separatist movement - a movement that lost a referendum and then inflicted two decades of economic damage on its region over the political uncertainty of a second referendum which was eventually called and lost with an even bigger majority.

This is someone who I would otherwise regard as intelligent, but Scientology and Moonies have nothing on the cult of SNP.

[simoid]

Re. the 45% support for independence not declining much: I see this as evidence that anyone who was ever likely to vote for independence did so last time. And that if you thought it was a decent idea in 2014, you probably don't care how st it will be at any point.

IE those who thought "fk it" in 2014 will be likely to think "fk it" again as they have that risk profile/view on the situation/hatred of the English (PC to say Westminster obvs).

Surely not anyone who voted no last time will think "it just wasn't right in 2014... but now IS the time".

[FN2TypeR]

simoid said:

Re. the 45% support for independence not declining much: I see this as evidence that anyone who was ever likely to vote for independence did so last time. And that if you thought it was a decent idea in 2014, you probably don't care how st it will be at any point.

IE those who thought "fk it" in 2014 will be likely to think "fk it" again as they have that risk profile/view on the situation/hatred of the English (PC to say Westminster obvs).

Surely not anyone who voted no last time will think "it just wasn't right in 2014... but now IS the time".

Don't be so sure, a grievence can be a powerful motivator.

"They took us out of the EU and we voted to remain".

[wc98]

FN2TypeR said:

Big Rod said:

wc98 said:

as much as i agree if it were not for the complete waste of money i would love to see another referendum in 2018. it would put the nats right back in their box as support appears to be plummeting now people realise just what a dire job they are doing of running the country (more like running it into the ground).

Strange that many of my independence supporting acquaintances seem to think that support is growing.

Not seeing it myself.

I don't think it's shrinking either - static at best I'd say.

i can only speak from my own experience. if we get another referendum i am sure you will both be willing to have a 100 quid on the yes vote being a higher percentage next time . i am quite confident it will be lower.

[r11co]

FN2TypeR said:

"They took us out of the EU and we voted to remain".

Yeah, but at least 1/3 of them didn't. False narrative.

wc98 said:

i can only speak from my own experience. if we get another referendum i am sure you will both be willing to have a 100 quid on the yes vote being a higher percentage next time . i am quite confident it will be lower.

I am too. I can't see another indyref being run on the same terms as the last one and even that will make a difference as IMO complacency allowed the SNP to dictate the territory and the debate.

Edited by r11co on Tuesday 21st February 17:18

[NoNeed]

So the snp don't like trump having a go at the press.





Nationalism at it's best.

[davepoth]

r11co said:

Yeah, but at least 1/3 of them didn't. False narrative.

Interestingly a lot of Yessers are thought to have voted leave, because they don't want to be in the EU at least as much as they don't want to be in Scotland. You've got Leave/Yessers, Remain/Noers, Remain/Yessers and Leave/Noers, and appealing to some of them will turn off others. A difficult line to tread.

[hidetheelephants]

r11co said:

Yeah, but at least 1/3 of them didn't. False narrative.

Better still it was just 1/3rd of those who gave enough of a st to actually vote; what the non-voting 1/3rd thought is moot, although it's easier to argue that apathy is a vote for the status quo than a vote for change.

[FN2TypeR]

r11co said:

FN2TypeR said:

"They took us out of the EU and we voted to remain".

Yeah, but at least 1/3 of them didn't. False narrative.

wc98 said:

i can only speak from my own experience. if we get another referendum i am sure you will both be willing to have a 100 quid on the yes vote being a higher percentage next time . i am quite confident it will be lower.

I am too. I can't see another indyref being run on the same terms as the last one and even that will make a difference as IMO complacency allowed the SNP to dictate the territory and the debate.

Edited by r11co on Tuesday 21st February 17:18

Do you really think that'll stop 'em from giving it a go? Any excuse is good enough for one more round or so it seems to me.

[technodup]

We're getting a new BBC channel, especially for Scotland. Because obviously there's a specifically Scottish slant to be had on everything from the famine in South Sudan to the ice caps melting, and who wouldn't want to spend millions to hear about it?

Speaking of South Sudan, with their civil unrest, shortages, and general lack of money following their independence...

They might not be members of the EU, but they're going to be dependent on others for aid. Sound familiar?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39042666

Edited by technodup on Wednesday 22 February 11:13

[skyrover]

technodup said:

We're getting a new BBC channel, especially for Scotland. Because obviously there's a specifically Scottish slant to be had on everything from the famine in South Sudan to the ice caps melting, and who wouldn't want to spend millions to hear about it?

Speaking of South Sudan, with their civil unrest, shortages, and general lack of money following their independence...

They might not be members of the EU, but they're going to be dependent on others for aid. Sound familiar?

[HD Adam]

davepoth said:

Interestingly a lot of Yessers are thought to have voted leave, because they don't want to be in the EU at least as much as they don't want to be in Scotland. You've got Leave/Yessers, Remain/Noers, Remain/Yessers and Leave/Noers, and appealing to some of them will turn off others. A difficult line to tread.

Spitters

[snowandrocks]

technodup said:

We're getting a new BBC channel, especially for Scotland. Because obviously there's a specifically Scottish slant to be had on everything from the famine in South Sudan to the ice caps melting, and who wouldn't want to spend millions to hear about it?

Speaking of South Sudan, with their civil unrest, shortages, and general lack of money following their independence...

They might not be members of the EU, but they're going to be dependent on others for aid. Sound familiar?

Great news

Shcotland Shcotland Shcotland... The new output will feature more Shcotland than before with a more Shcottish view on the news from Shcotland with added emphasis on what Shcottish people are up to in Shcotland. Good grief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39042666

[Cobnapint]

I wonder which way the BBC Bias department has instructed it's presenters to go.

[r11co]

snowandrocks said:

Shcotland Shcotland Shcotland... The new output will feature more Shcotland than before with a more Shcottish view on the news from Shcotland with added emphasis on what Shcottish people are up to in Shcotland. Good grief.

Hopefully they'll shove River stty on to it along with that bks sitcom with Elaine C Smith in it, leaving some space on the proper BBC channels for something else.

I think this is a great move as it clearly delineates the amateurish 'Scottish' ste generated by the BBC from everything else, making it easier to avoid. Ratings plummet for 'Still Game' predicted....

[technodup]

r11co said:

I think this is a great move as it clearly delineates the amateurish 'Scottish' ste generated by the BBC from everything else,

Sounds like the thin end of a pretty stty wedge to me. See also: devolution.

Or, it could be the BBC saying FU to the Nats. "Aye you cin hiv yer Sco'ish Six, bit it's goin on at 9 on a channel naebdy watches. Get it roon ye".

[hidetheelephants]

There are precedents, although the quality of output was questionable; channel 4 had the Stoneybridge Broadcasting Corporation and BBC had the subsidiary Outer Hebrides Broadcasting Corporation.

[anonymous-user]

Someone needs to nail Alex Salmond to the floor and let people take a kango drill to his fat fking Baron Greenback face, throat and nads.

Not because of the BBC thing, but simply because he's a .

[r11co]

technodup said:

Sounds like the thin end of a pretty stty wedge to me. See also: devolution.

Or, it could be the BBC saying FU to the Nats. "Aye you cin hiv yer Sco'ish Six, bit it's goin on at 9 on a channel naebdy watches. Get it roon ye".

I strongly suspect it is the latter rather than the former. The BBC are not going to easily forget the angry mobs protesting on their doorstep because one of their correspondents dared to ask fat Alex a difficult question.

Don't be surprised if a few years down the line the new BBC Scotland channel is merged with BBC Alba on the back of another cost-cutting initiative. The BBC could spin it as a move to 'integrate Gaelic further into mainstream culture', and it would be the ultimate irony if the SNats were to protest such a move as that is one of their stated aims.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 22 February 13:49