Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

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hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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I don't dip into this thread much so don't know if it's already been discussed, but just saw a guy post this link elsewhere with regards to council tax increases.

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20005/council_tax...

Scot Gov said:
Council Tax charges 2017 – 2018

The Council Tax freeze, which has been in place for residents since April 2007, has come to an end. We know there is support amongst residents to raise Council Tax to maintain local services. As such, we have agreed a 3 percent increase across all bands.

The Scottish Government introduced legislation where there will be an increase in the level of Council Tax across Scotland for all properties in bands E to H. There is no local discretion regarding these changes. The percentage change which applies to these bands is as follows and will be applied before the 3 percent increase.

Band Percentage change Actual amount
E 7.5 £107.16
F 12.5 £211.07
G 17.5 £340.96
H 22.5 £526.05
22.5% increase in council tax for Band H properties! And that is before the general rise so effectively nearly 26% council tax rise.

fk me.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
It wouldn't take much to get Torys to 30-35% of the vote from where they are.

Blue Tory.
It would take a good leader and the SNP to have totally taken their eye off the ball and Labour to be a shambles and the LibDems to be anonymous... and perhaps some sensible tolerant debate about their policies not including "Thatcher".

Patrick Bateman

12,143 posts

173 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Nanook said:
Welshbeef said:
It wouldn't take much to get Torys to 30-35% of the vote from where they are.

Blue Tory.
Are you high?
Aye.

Of all the folk that despise the SNP and never vote for them there are also those that'll never vote Tory, no matter what.

Cobnapint

8,597 posts

150 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Alot if the top band properties are owned by English retirees. It's part of the SNP's ethnic cleansing policy, so no surprise.

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
It wouldn't take much to get Torys to 30-35% of the vote from where they are.
Dream on. Scotland has been fed a diet of 'Tories bad' since Thatcher's time. Vast swathes of the country (especially the populous bits) still pine for mining, steel and shipbuilding and since the evil Tories stopped all that there's zero chance of a full recovery. Which leaves the 'rational' vote split between the Tories, Labour and the Libdems.

The biggest problem for me are people who voted No or don't want independence but voted for the SNP at Holyrood. Those dicks are the ones who gave the poison dwarf her 'mandate' to crow about re 'substantive change' or whatever her phrase is. I can't understand why anyone would give them authority in Scotland without thinking they'd use it to push for their raison detre.





r11co

6,244 posts

229 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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simoid said:
It would take a good leader...
Check!

simoid said:
and the SNP to have totally taken their eye off the ball...
Check!

simoid said:
and Labour to be a shambles...
Check!

simoid said:
and the LibDems to be anonymous......
Check!

simoid said:
and perhaps some sensible tolerant debate about their policies not including "Thatcher".
Ah...!

technodup said:
Scotland has been fed a diet of 'Tories bad' since Thatcher's time. Vast swathes of the country (especially the populous bits) still pine for mining, steel and shipbuilding and since the 'evil Tories' stopped all that there's zero chance of a full recovery.
Which is exactly why the hypocritical oxymoron that is Mhairi Black exists. She spouts all the old Labour ste because she's been conditioned to, yet represents a party that is right of the Lib-Dems (and signed-off on the removal of the pension triple-lock that will probably be announced today).

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 8th March 12:25

r11co

6,244 posts

229 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Speaking of Mhairi Black...

SNP MP Mhairi Black caught on camera swearing in Parliament

I despair that this gutter trash is my MP. Local counciller and former SNP member (for 24 years) Andy Doig has cited one of the reasons for his resignation from the party as being that they take no interest in local issues, mentioning that Ms. Black seems to spend more time in London's gay clubs than in her constituency. He was going to be sanctioned for saying so but jumped before he was pushed.

PH XKR

1,761 posts

101 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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r11co said:
Speaking of Mhairi Black...

SNP MP Mhairi Black caught on camera swearing in Parliament

I despair that this gutter trash is my MP. Local counciller and former SNP member (for 24 years) Andy Doig has cited one of the reasons for his resignation from the party as being that they take no interest in local issues, mentioning that Ms. Black seems to spend more time in London's gay clubs than in her constituency. He was going to be sanctioned for saying so but jumped before he was pushed.
take a girl from the estates with a max wage expectation of Minimum plus some side deals and now give her 60+ k for sitting in a house in London

Whats a girl to do?

r11co

6,244 posts

229 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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PH XKR said:
take a girl from the estates with a max wage expectation of Minimum plus some side deals and now give her 60+ k for sitting in a house in London?
It's 70+k, plus you give her no credit. With her 'leanings' and mickey-mouse degree in politics she would be a shoo-in for a healthy wage from serving in some parasitical public sector or local government 'initiative' non-job.

Anyway, another excuse to post this....



Edited by r11co on Wednesday 8th March 19:13

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Murph7355 said:
You can't just look at a number and say "30's not far from 20 so it'll be easy"!

Labour were a shambles last time out and the Tories bumped their historic haul by just 6% (constituency) and marginally more on a regional basis.

Unless there's a fundamental shift (e.g. All the Scottish Leavers and those disaffected with the SNP get off their arses and vote) I don't see it reaching much more.
If you consider turnout, and add to that the idea that a lot of potential Tory voters won't turn out because they don't think there's any point, and you might find that it doesn't take much for the magic of FPTP to take effect.

StescoG66

2,108 posts

142 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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r11co said:
Speaking of Mhairi Black...

I despair that this gutter trash is my MP. Local counciller and former SNP member (for 24 years) Andy Doig has cited one of the reasons for his resignation from the party as being that they take no interest in local issues, mentioning that Ms. Black seems to spend more time in London's gay clubs than in her constituency. He was going to be sanctioned for saying so but jumped before he was pushed.
What - another one that drinks from the furry cup??

MikeT66

2,680 posts

123 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Ooooh, good. Here we go again... frown


Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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davepoth said:
If you consider turnout, and add to that the idea that a lot of potential Tory voters won't turn out because they don't think there's any point, and you might find that it doesn't take much for the magic of FPTP to take effect.
IMO that would be a bigger shock than Brexit or Trump. The jocks are as likely to vote Tory as the taffs, scousers or people from my home town (Sheffield) in my lifetime.

r11co - "you" allowed her to be voted in. Get out and campaign next time.

Leithen

10,800 posts

266 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Short generations up here.

Idiots.

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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MikeT66 said:
Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Ooooh, good. Here we go again... frown
Doesn't Westminster have some say if this is going to happen? laugh

57 Chevy

5,409 posts

234 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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She's just setting up for the Council elections to give the devoted what they want, let's hope she gets a clear message back from those elections.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Smollet said:
MikeT66 said:
Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Ooooh, good. Here we go again... frown
Doesn't Westminster have some say if this is going to happen? laugh
Yes, though it is legally obliged to allow it once a timetable has been agreed.

Garvin

5,157 posts

176 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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MikeT66 said:
Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Ooooh, good. Here we go again... frown
She won't do it. She will bottle it with some excuse why it's someone else's fault.

Although I look forward to the next white paper and the fairy tale of how Scotland can afford to go it alone - the first one was funny enough but a subsequent one, now that the truth on oil, currency, deficit and EU membership has been cruelly exposed, should be a cracker.

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Jockman said:
Smollet said:
MikeT66 said:
Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Ooooh, good. Here we go again... frown
Doesn't Westminster have some say if this is going to happen? laugh
Yes, though it is legally obliged to allow it once a timetable has been agreed.
That doesn't sound right. The Scottish parliament has no right to call a referendum. Surely, only Westminster can grant it that power?

That said, if the Scottish parliament voted for it, sponsored by a party with a mandate that stood on a manifesto of delivering a referendum then it would be politically difficult to refuse that power.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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AstonZagato said:
Jockman said:
Smollet said:
MikeT66 said:
Sturgeon: Autumn 2018 'common sense' for indyref2:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Ooooh, good. Here we go again... frown
Doesn't Westminster have some say if this is going to happen? laugh
Yes, though it is legally obliged to allow it once a timetable has been agreed.
That doesn't sound right. The Scottish parliament has no right to call a referendum. Surely, only Westminster can grant it that power?

That said, if the Scottish parliament voted for it, sponsored by a party with a mandate that stood on a manifesto of delivering a referendum then it would be politically difficult to refuse that power.
Only going by what I heard on R4 this morning. Legally obliged to allow it but can push back on the timing of it.
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