Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
57 Chevy said:
She's just setting up for the Council elections to give the devoted what they want.
This, exactly. The little piece of floor in the corner she has painted herself into just keeps getting smaller and smaller.AstonZagato said:
That said, if the Scottish parliament voted for it, sponsored by a party with a mandate that stood on a manifesto of delivering a referendum then it would be politically difficult to refuse that power.
Which is why (Wimbledon born) Angus Robertson has been at pains to paint the false narrative in parliament that they have a 'cast-iron' mandate because of Brexit.Edited by r11co on Thursday 9th March 09:37
k me.
ellroy said:
Jockman said:
Yes, though it is legally obliged to allow it once a timetable has been agreed.
I suspect the key word here is 'agreed' an agreement takes two parties not one shouting I want, I want, I want. Especially when the power is reserved to Westminster.Oh, hang on a minute...........
Jockman said:
Absolutely. A single political party should not be allowed to remove a country from a Union just to hide its own party's inadequacies.
Oh, hang on a minute...........
More false Nationalist narrative.Oh, hang on a minute...........
The important, glaring, elephant in the room difference is that one party is carrying out the democratic will of its populace as determined by a referendum result - a result that went against what that party and its leader actively campaigned for, if you recall.
The other is doing the opposite - attempting to subvert the democratic will of its populace and gerrymander a re-run of a referendum where the popular vote went against what the party campaigned for.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 9th March 11:32
Jockman said:
You need to put on your sarcasm hat for a few minutes.
I know, but it's the sort of guff that SNats come out with all the time without a hint of irony or self awareness.SNats have perfected the art of doublethink, like believing Derek MacKay when he tells them that a £350million increase in budget due to Barnet Consequentials is really a cut.
Reading some of the Nats spouting on the comment pages of the Groanian, there seems to be an impression that post independence the border with the UK would be open and that life would go on as normal, except that they'd have their "freedom".
The possibility of an English backlash appears not to have occurred
The possibility of an English backlash appears not to have occurred
Should the pre-condition for Westminster granting a second once-in-a-lifetime referendum be that Holyrood confirms exactly what they would do about Currency, EU Membership, Oil revenues, Taxation, Borders, Military, Economy, etc, etc, so that the Scottish Electorate can see exactly what they'd be getting.... and a formal and legally binding agreement that it will be an actual lifetime of 100 years before the question can be asked again so that those people who want Scotland to succeed in the Union actually get some kind of stability and future.
simoid said:
Welshbeef said:
It wouldn't take much to get Torys to 30-35% of the vote from where they are.
Blue Tory.
It would take a good leader and the SNP to have totally taken their eye off the ball and Labour to be a shambles and the LibDems to be anonymous... and perhaps some sensible tolerant debate about their policies not including "Thatcher".Blue Tory.
I well remember John Major's quote on his vision of 'Britishness' as "cricket on the village green and warm beer"!
The Scottish tories response was "..well, its hard enough to get votes up here without stupid comments like that!"
exitwound said:
Thatcher is totally to blame for this.. If she hadn't been so hell bent on destroying "socialism" and industries up here, and continued in the successes achieved in her first couple of years, attitudes to the tories would be a lot sweeter. I bet even the Scottish tories would agree on that.
I well remember John Major's quote on his vision of 'Britishness' as "cricket on the village green and warm beer"!
The Scottish tories response was "..well, its hard enough to get votes up here without stupid comments like that!"
Don't forget Hitler... I well remember John Major's quote on his vision of 'Britishness' as "cricket on the village green and warm beer"!
The Scottish tories response was "..well, its hard enough to get votes up here without stupid comments like that!"
technodup said:
The biggest problem for me are people who voted No or don't want independence but voted for the SNP at Holyrood. Those dicks are the ones who gave the poison dwarf her 'mandate' to crow about re 'substantive change' or whatever her phrase is. I can't understand why anyone would give them authority in Scotland without thinking they'd use it to push for their raison detre.
Amen to that.. These SNP 'NO' types don't realise is that independence is the SNP's main directive, its purely why they exist. The scheme is that once this has been achieved, the SNP is no more, gone, disbanded, and new political parties will be formed and elected for the new govt (probably with the same faces!)
Its simple, if you don't want independence, then don't vote for SNP. Amazing the numbers of people who can't see past the free health checks, prescriptions, college fees etc.. These are what the SNP used as vote getters and it worked well.
Murph7355 said:
exitwound said:
Thatcher is totally to blame for this.. If she hadn't been so hell bent on destroying "socialism" and industries up here, and continued in the successes achieved in her first couple of years, attitudes to the tories would be a lot sweeter. I bet even the Scottish tories would agree on that.
I well remember John Major's quote on his vision of 'Britishness' as "cricket on the village green and warm beer"!
The Scottish tories response was "..well, its hard enough to get votes up here without stupid comments like that!"
Don't forget Hitler... I well remember John Major's quote on his vision of 'Britishness' as "cricket on the village green and warm beer"!
The Scottish tories response was "..well, its hard enough to get votes up here without stupid comments like that!"
E24man said:
Should the pre-condition for Westminster granting a second once-in-a-lifetime referendum be that Holyrood confirms exactly what they would do about Currency, EU Membership, Oil revenues, Taxation, Borders, Military, Economy, etc, etc, so that the Scottish Electorate can see exactly what they'd be getting.... and a formal and legally binding agreement that it will be an actual lifetime of 100 years before the question can be asked again so that those people who want Scotland to succeed in the Union actually get some kind of stability and future.
Good points, it should also be noted after brexit negotiations HMG will be well practiced in the hard sell... gothatway said:
With just six months or so to go before the Art50 two years are up, would any government really want to embark on such a distracting side-show ?
Yes.The Scottish one.
Ironically, if the UK Govt secures a decent deal this proposal will swiftly be forgotten. Probably why the SNP are keeping it quite vague.
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