Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
gothatway said:
With just six months or so to go before the Art50 two years are up, would any government really want to embark on such a distracting side-show ?
Exactly that - the distraction. The SNP are political chancers of the highest order, and they know the success and fundamentals of their case of indy is not sufficiently strong to stand on its own two feet, hence they need to rely on the political opportunity when the UK Gov's. focus will lie elsewhere (Brexit), and they can capitalise on that 'political uncertainly / state of flux' to help over-shadow the greater level of uncertainty they are proposing. Big squirrel moment essentially..
They had The Great Recession, crap Labour, Tory Gov., austerity, buoyant NS tax receipts,and dominance of the Scottish political scene during Indy Vol.1, all of which pushed their vote share up massively, but they still couldn't win..
The question is whether the deteriorated economic situation, greater devolution, and Average McAverage face performance of 10yrs of SNP management would counter-balance the perceived Brexit "economic out-rageness" in Indy Vol.2
Fat Stu said:
our Panelbase poll last month asked respondents how important the size of Scotland’s budget deficit was in terms of their support for independence, and the number who said it was “Extremely important” (38%) was only fractionally bigger than the number who considered it either not very important or completely irrelevant (36%).
The remaining quarter of the electorate – what one might reasonably consider the “battleground” voters who will decide the outcome – felt that the economy of an independent Scotland was only “moderately” important.
So around 2/3 of Scots think the economy is only moderately important, not very important or not important at all?The remaining quarter of the electorate – what one might reasonably consider the “battleground” voters who will decide the outcome – felt that the economy of an independent Scotland was only “moderately” important.
Too wee? Too poor? Too stupid?
I don't see how anyone could argue the last one. Utter muppetry, WTF do they think pays for stuff?
http://wingsoverscotland.com/more-than-numbers/#mo...
technodup said:
So around 2/3 of Scots think the economy is only moderately important, not very important or not important at all?
Too wee? Too poor? Too stupid?
I don't see how anyone could argue the last one. Utter muppetry, WTF do they think pays for stuff?
http://wingsoverscotland.com/more-than-numbers/#mo...
The social.Too wee? Too poor? Too stupid?
I don't see how anyone could argue the last one. Utter muppetry, WTF do they think pays for stuff?
http://wingsoverscotland.com/more-than-numbers/#mo...
Silverbullet767 said:
Who are they asking?
STV commissioned the poll to release it on the same day Nicola made her latest statement about the extremely highly likely inevitability of her not ruling out a possible common sense second independence referendum.The carrot is ever dangled and the spot on the floor gets ever smaller.
Silverbullet767 said:
FN2TypeR said:
Ipsos Mori today:
Level pegging, Yes 50% No 50%
Who are they asking?Level pegging, Yes 50% No 50%
ks raising its ugly head again I reckon we'll sell, stick the proceeds in a tracker fund and just rent somewhere ready for a sharp exit. Wifes team is already split between England and Scotland, so if the great unwashed vote for the magic money tree we'll just move to where her company is based. I contract so it actually opens up more options for me with less travel involved.
With the uncertainty involved no doubt impacting house prices I dont think we'll be any worse off.
Last time around we had a school/house already picked out. Silly me for thinking a generation was longer than 2.5 years.
r11co said:
Silverbullet767 said:
Who are they asking?
STV commissioned the poll to release it on the same day Nicola made her latest statement about the extremely highly likely inevitability of her not ruling out a possible common sense second independence referendum.The carrot is ever dangled and the spot on the floor gets ever smaller.
technodup said:
Fat Stu said:
our Panelbase poll last month asked respondents how important the size of Scotland’s budget deficit was in terms of their support for independence, and the number who said it was “Extremely important” (38%) was only fractionally bigger than the number who considered it either not very important or completely irrelevant (36%).
The remaining quarter of the electorate – what one might reasonably consider the “battleground” voters who will decide the outcome – felt that the economy of an independent Scotland was only “moderately” important.
So around 2/3 of Scots think the economy is only moderately important, not very important or not important at all?The remaining quarter of the electorate – what one might reasonably consider the “battleground” voters who will decide the outcome – felt that the economy of an independent Scotland was only “moderately” important.
Too wee? Too poor? Too stupid?
I don't see how anyone could argue the last one. Utter muppetry, WTF do they think pays for stuff?
http://wingsoverscotland.com/more-than-numbers/#mo...
I personally believe it could be improved a bit, but not as much as the SNP will like to push. And to be honest I would not consider voting for Independence with the SNP after everything they have done.
I was starting to get a bit worried, what with all the recent talk, the 50% poll, the fact another batch of indoctrinated children now qualify to vote etc. Then I remembered that if No loses it's all good, we can start asking for another vote a week after and in a couple of years we'll get to go again.
That's how it works, right?
That's how it works, right?
bp1 said:
We were planning on selling the house and buying closer to daughters school. With all this bks raising its ugly head again I reckon we'll sell, stick the proceeds in a tracker fund and just rent somewhere ready for a sharp exit.
Wifes team is already split between England and Scotland, so if the great unwashed vote for the magic money tree we'll just move to where her company is based. I contract so it actually opens up more options for me with less travel involved.
With the uncertainty involved no doubt impacting house prices I dont think we'll be any worse off.
Last time around we had a school/house already picked out. Silly me for thinking a generation was longer than 2.5 years.
I'm English and I hold a New Zealand passport, my girlfriend is from Aberdeen - we won't be hanging around either, our only issue would be selling up due to the current state of the oil and gas industry, which I can't see changing for 4/5 yearsks raising its ugly head again I reckon we'll sell, stick the proceeds in a tracker fund and just rent somewhere ready for a sharp exit. Wifes team is already split between England and Scotland, so if the great unwashed vote for the magic money tree we'll just move to where her company is based. I contract so it actually opens up more options for me with less travel involved.
With the uncertainty involved no doubt impacting house prices I dont think we'll be any worse off.
Last time around we had a school/house already picked out. Silly me for thinking a generation was longer than 2.5 years.
technodup said:
I was starting to get a bit worried, what with all the recent talk, the 50% poll, the fact another batch of indoctrinated children now qualify to vote etc. Then I remembered that if No loses it's all good, we can start asking for another vote a week after and in a couple of years we'll get to go again.
That's how it works, right?
That's how it works, right?
nopeit could happen - a grievance is a powerful motivator, I said that months ago.
If it does, it does, I'll just pack up and f
king leave, I'm happy to live any ol' whereBe a close run thing second time around.
simoid said:
What's the advantage to any U.K. Government offering SNP another referendum?
The only one I can think of is that is might derail the nationalist movement in the event of a no vote, losing for a second time in 4/5 years? That'll surely hurt the none core support.Elsewise, nothing much.
Unless Mays Government simply don't care about north o' the border and frankly I don't see why they would as Scotland doesn't vote Tory (well, not real Tory).
technodup said:
FN2TypeR said:
If it does, it does, I'll just pack up and fking leave, I'm happy to live any ol' where
It would be fking leave, I'm happy to live any ol' whereking great if everyone could do that. 49% of Scots just fking off to England, Europe or wherever.We'd already be a wee country. Half it and where would they be then?
king rinsed anyway even if fourty nine percent didn't up sticks - all I see on twitter these days is that the second referendum won't be based on oil, well, apart from the Brexit grievance what else has changed?But, like I say, a grievance is a powerful thing.
FN2TypeR said:
The only one I can think of is that is might derail the nationalist movement in the event of a no vote, losing for a second time in 4/5 years? That'll surely hurt the none core support.
Elsewise, nothing much.
It's a win-win for the Tories. If the nationalists win the tories immediately get a rid of 59 seats which always vote against them (and lets face it, a net drain on the economy of the rUK). If it is a 'No' vote again then the loudest complainers in parliament are castrated. There is no downside for the Tories.Elsewise, nothing much.
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