Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Order66 said:
It's a win-win for the Tories. If the nationalists win the tories immediately get a rid of 59 seats which always vote against them (and lets face it, a net drain on the economy of the rUK). If it is a 'No' vote again then the loudest complainers in parliament are castrated. There is no downside for the Tories.
A failed state with a land border with England? The streets of Berwick and Carlisle flooded with ginger hookers? Wouldn't be terribly convenient with Brexit to manage.Order66 said:
It's a win-win for the Tories. If the nationalists win the tories immediately get a rid of 59 seats which always vote against them (and lets face it, a net drain on the economy of the rUK). If it is a 'No' vote again then the loudest complainers in parliament are castrated. There is no downside for the Tories.
All very good, apart from having a part of the Union underperforming economically, with investment discouraged and the devolved government failing it's constituents in almost everything it does.Those of us who believe in the Union want to see every part of it thrive. No chance at the moment with these f
kwits in office.Order66 said:
It's a win-win for the Tories. If the nationalists win the tories immediately get a rid of 59 seats which always vote against them (and lets face it, a net drain on the economy of the rUK). If it is a 'No' vote again then the loudest complainers in parliament are castrated. There is no downside for the Tories.
I don't think Scottish independence will be a win for anyone.Borghetto said:
simoid said:
I don't think Scottish independence will be a win for anyone.
I agree, but the constant bhing from the SNP is making many English voters indifferent to Scottish independence. This would have been unthinkable years ago.border and they don't fit the profile of the Scots I've met unless they are very good at being twofaced ...
what the SNP is doing is make your average English person think is I wish they would just vote for independence and f
k OFF...simoid said:
technodup said:
t would be fking great if everyone could do that. 49% of Scots just fking off to England, Europe or wherever.
We'd already be a wee country. Half it and where would they be then?
A more equal country.king great if everyone could do that. 49% of Scots just fking off to England, Europe or wherever.We'd already be a wee country. Half it and where would they be then?
successful people leaving helps the SNP toward their goals. Scary that.Sick as we all are with the SNP boring the sh*t out everybody by banging on about another indy-ref - they ain't going away.
Even if they lose the next one, Sturgeon will step down and they'll just roll out Angus Robertson, and he'll dream up another pathetic reason - for indy-ref 3.
And so it'll go on, until half the Scottish population come to their senses.
Even if they lose the next one, Sturgeon will step down and they'll just roll out Angus Robertson, and he'll dream up another pathetic reason - for indy-ref 3.
And so it'll go on, until half the Scottish population come to their senses.
DrDeAtH said:
Let the English vote on Scottish independence. I'm sure the sturgeon would get her wish then....
And that's the odd one isn't it. Surely he SNP purely want Independance and if hey know England would vamote them out resulting in a tax saving of £15billion a year (Scottish deficit alone) why don't they ask for it?
Me thinks hey don't really want Independance.
Welshbeef said:
if hey know England would vamote them out resulting in a tax saving of £15billion a year (Scottish deficit alone) why don't they ask for it?
Far be it from me to defend the separatist scum but two points...1. that's not how it works, and you could set a pretty dodgy precedent. Don't like Newcastle anymore? Let's vote them out. Geordie
s. Who says the 'oppressed' lot have to instigate it?2. even if they did it's far from clear it would work. There will be a lot of people looking at Brexit (and even before) and wondering if/why the UK getting ever smaller and less relevant would be a good thing
The only way England has any say here is either May calling the tedious wee bawbag's bluff, or by setting the terms of the vote.
technodup said:
The only way England has any say here is either May calling the tedious wee bawbag's bluff, or by setting the terms of the vote.
I have a feeling May will be quite happy to set a date - after Brexit. The SNP will likely split into two factions at that point, with roughly half of the yessers wanting to be out of the EU, and half of them wanting to join again. The key is that after Brexit there can be no argument about it, as Scotland would have to join as a new member, taking on Schengen and the Euro. That will focus minds. davepoth said:
technodup said:
The only way England has any say here is either May calling the tedious wee bawbag's bluff, or by setting the terms of the vote.
I have a feeling May will be quite happy to set a date - after Brexit. The SNP will likely split into two factions at that point, with roughly half of the yessers wanting to be out of the EU, and half of them wanting to join again. The key is that after Brexit there can be no argument about it, as Scotland would have to join as a new member, taking on Schengen and the Euro. That will focus minds. davepoth said:
technodup said:
The only way England has any say here is either May calling the tedious wee bawbag's bluff, or by setting the terms of the vote.
I have a feeling May will be quite happy to set a date - after Brexit. The SNP will likely split into two factions at that point, with roughly half of the yessers wanting to be out of the EU, and half of them wanting to join again. The key is that after Brexit there can be no argument about it, as Scotland would have to join as a new member, taking on Schengen and the Euro. That will focus minds. Tryke3 said:
Both win win for scotland imo
How can they both be the best answer? One of them will put significant fiscal restraints on the Scottish government to reduce the deficit from 9.5% to less than 3%, which would result in a drop in public spending of £12bn a year. That's around a 7.5% spending cut.According to the IFS, the total of the "Evil Tory Cuts" in the 2010-15 parliament was around 4%:
http://election2015.ifs.org.uk/public-spending
So in effect the SNP will have to cut twice as hard as the Tories did after the financial crisis to meet the EU rules for entry. Still sound good?
davepoth said:
I have a feeling May will be quite happy to set a date - after Brexit. The SNP will likely split into two factions at that point, with roughly half of the yessers wanting to be out of the EU, and half of them wanting to join again. The key is that after Brexit there can be no argument about it, as Scotland would have to join as a new member, taking on Schengen and the Euro. That will focus minds.
After Brexit is the only sensible option for me, but the nae lipped one thinks some stage when it's all still being played out is optimal. Presumably because there's more opportunity for smoke and mirrors.And they'll be arguing hard about the Euro, that's a definite. "Sweden isn't in the Euro", etc etc.
davepoth said:
Tryke3 said:
Both win win for scotland imo
How can they both be the best answer? One of them will put significant fiscal restraints on the Scottish government to reduce the deficit from 9.5% to less than 3%, which would result in a drop in public spending of £12bn a year. That's around a 7.5% spending cut.According to the IFS, the total of the "Evil Tory Cuts" in the 2010-15 parliament was around 4%:
http://election2015.ifs.org.uk/public-spending
So in effect the SNP will have to cut twice as hard as the Tories did after the financial crisis to meet the EU rules for entry. Still sound good?
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