Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[AC43]

Strocky said:

AC43 said:

Well for the first quarter century of my life I lived in Scotland and heard anti-English rhetoric virtually every single day.

If you're old enough to remember Naked Video they had a character whose entire persona was based an English hater. It's nothing new.

Anyway, the SNP have hardly been trying to pour oil on troubled water since then. In fact, like most Nationalist parties, they have been trying to find and accentuate differences.

The various branches of my family and my wife's family still there all tell me it's pretty nasty at times.

Except, that is, for the lone Nat-supporting one who seems to think everything is fine.

So that's 1 in the English hatred ledger column

I don't remember the character you mention from NV, but I do remember McGlashan from Absolutely which was more of a piss take of the character than the English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MnD7q7EFt0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaJPOVGlEPs

My mistake - it was Absolutely - McGlashan was the character

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5cUxawA_6w

[AC43]

A bit more McGlashan for Friday afternoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6yXTAZKoyE

[Justayellowbadge]

AstonZagato said:

Yeah, and those bd English landowners have built mountains to make it difficult for the proud Scots to get there too.

The land reform proposals also ought to include a plan to demolish the Highlands. That'll show the English bds.

Edited by AstonZagato on Friday 26th June 13:52

They'll never take our ski run.

[AstonZagato]

Justayellowbadge said:

AstonZagato said:

Yeah, and those bd English landowners have built mountains to make it difficult for the proud Scots to get there too.

The land reform proposals also ought to include a plan to demolish the Highlands. That'll show the English bds.

They'll never take our ski run.

Aye brother, we're with you.

[NoNeed]

AstonZagato said:

Justayellowbadge said:

AstonZagato said:

Yeah, and those bd English landowners have built mountains to make it difficult for the proud Scots to get there too.

The land reform proposals also ought to include a plan to demolish the Highlands. That'll show the English bds.

They'll never take our ski run.

Aye brother, we're with you.

A good article on it here.
http://www.capx.co/scottish-nationalists-declare-c...

[NoNeed]

AC43 said:

A bit more McGlashan for Friday afternoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6yXTAZKoyE

[///ajd]

r11co said:

For the record - I malformed the hyperlink to the Montreal Gazette article in my post. I have corrected it now but it will still be the wrong one in Edinburger's quote.

The article is long but worth a read for anyone who takes the debate over separatism seriously. It is a non-partisan analysis of a situation that is a model for what is already happening and what will go wrong in Scotland under the SNP. Cultists do not like it when the parallels between the SNP and the Nazi party are discussed, but they will find it very difficult to refute the very clear parallels between the Quebecois situation and their own.

The comparison even stems to the governments enforcing cultural requirements on education and broadcasting - in Quebec it was the insistence of the use of the French language despite it being the minority language among the population. In Scotland of course there is the mandating of Scottish literature and history in the curriculum, BBC Alba, bi-lingual road signs etc.

Just one comment from the article...

Vinny Stalos said:

NOBODY WANTS TO INVEST IN AN ECONOMY THAT IS SO UNCERTAIN AS QUEBECS. GET RID OF THE SEPARATION DEBATE, LOCK IT AWAY. LOSE THE POLITICAL ATTITUDES. EVERYONE IS EQUAL. FRENCH AND ENGLISH WRITINGS ARE THE SAME SIZE. ABOLISH THE OQLF. RELEASE THE HOUNDS. ENOUGH WITH THIS CHILDISH DEBACLE. Even then when all of this is done it will take a long time to recover. Montreal is/was a great city, as for the future i hope the separatists are making good wages because you think taxes are high now, wait until you get what you want.

Edited by r11co on Friday 26th June 08:25

The comments section is very revealing.

Interesting that shoving french down everyones throats is one of the key frustrations.

The posts from the separatists are very familiar - totally unhinged from common sense and economic reality!

They've had two indie refs of course in 80 and 95. Montreal has declined continually since the 70s. Hard to imagine it happening to Edinburgh, but who knows?

[Strocky]

AC43 said:

A bit more McGlashan for Friday afternoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6yXTAZKoyE

Have you reported this hate crime to the appropriate authorities?

[Strocky]

///ajd said:

The comments section is very revealing.

Interesting that shoving french down everyones throats is one of the key frustrations.

The posts from the separatists are very familiar - totally unhinged from common sense and economic reality!

They've had two indie refs of course in 80 and 95. Montreal has declined continually since the 70s. Hard to imagine it happening to Edinburgh, but who knows?

I wish someone would shove Scotch down my throat

[Big Rod]

Strocky said:

///ajd said:

The comments section is very revealing.

Interesting that shoving french down everyones throats is one of the key frustrations.

The posts from the separatists are very familiar - totally unhinged from common sense and economic reality!

They've had two indie refs of course in 80 and 95. Montreal has declined continually since the 70s. Hard to imagine it happening to Edinburgh, but who knows?

I wish someone would shove Scotch down my throat

It's a shame though that most people are sick of having Scots shoved down their throats.

[Strocky]

Big Rod said:

Strocky said:

///ajd said:

The comments section is very revealing.

Interesting that shoving french down everyones throats is one of the key frustrations.

The posts from the separatists are very familiar - totally unhinged from common sense and economic reality!

They've had two indie refs of course in 80 and 95. Montreal has declined continually since the 70s. Hard to imagine it happening to Edinburgh, but who knows?

I wish someone would shove Scotch down my throat

It's a shame though that most people are sick of having Scots shoved down their throats.

Yep they should know their place in the grand scheme of things, oh great oracle

[Big Rod]

Strocky said:

Yep they should know their place in the grand scheme of things, oh great oracle

Perfect sum up!

You should be in politics.

Edited by Big Rod on Saturday 27th June 01:29

[///ajd]

Strocky said:

Big Rod said:

Strocky said:

///ajd said:

The comments section is very revealing.

Interesting that shoving french down everyones throats is one of the key frustrations.

The posts from the separatists are very familiar - totally unhinged from common sense and economic reality!

They've had two indie refs of course in 80 and 95. Montreal has declined continually since the 70s. Hard to imagine it happening to Edinburgh, but who knows?

I wish someone would shove Scotch down my throat

It's a shame though that most people are sick of having Scots shoved down their throats.

Yep they should know their place in the grand scheme of things, oh great oracle

you joke aboiut it then pull out your massive victim card.

you need to realise it is no joke. the rampant nationalism in scotland threatens to do exactly the same damage. the comments tell the story of decline over decades. Why do you want to go down a path of government driven 'us' and 'them' separatism that will drive away the people that actually fuel the economy? From you posts I realise you don't understand why this will happen. How much more evidence do you need?

[r11co]

///ajd said:

Strocky said:

Yep they should know their place in the grand scheme of things, oh great oracle

you joke about it then pull out your massive victim card.

you need to realise it is no joke. the rampant nationalism in scotland threatens to do exactly the same damage. the comments tell the story of decline over decades. Why do you want to go down a path of government driven 'us' and 'them' separatism that will drive away the people that actually fuel the economy? From you posts I realise you don't understand why this will happen. How much more evidence do you need?

The more concerning lack of realisation in SNP cultists is that the Quebec example demonstrates that the process of separatism simply cannot deliver on the promises made by those who drive it, and is motivated purely by selve-serving leaders leveraging power for themselves through a process of divide and conquer. The self-congratulatory nonsense of the '56' after the election and Sturgeon maxing-out on the trappings of a party leader during the campaign (I mean, a helicopter FFS) is ample demonstration of that.

The precedent is there - what makes SNP followers think their experiences will be different? I suspect the overwhelming majority do not have a clue about the Canada situation and have no interest in learning about it.

Edited by r11co on Saturday 27th June 08:09

[AC43]

r11co said:

///ajd said:

Strocky said:

Yep they should know their place in the grand scheme of things, oh great oracle

you joke about it then pull out your massive victim card.

you need to realise it is no joke. the rampant nationalism in scotland threatens to do exactly the same damage. the comments tell the story of decline over decades. Why do you want to go down a path of government driven 'us' and 'them' separatism that will drive away the people that actually fuel the economy? From you posts I realise you don't understand why this will happen. How much more evidence do you need?

The more concerning lack of realisation in SNP cultists is that the Quebec example demonstrates that the process of separatism simply cannot deliver on the promises made by those who drive it, and is motivated purely by selve-serving leaders leveraging power for themselves through a process of divide and conquer. The self-congratulatory nonsense of the '56' after the election and Sturgeon maxing-out on the trappings of a party leader during the campaign (I mean, a helicopter FFS) is ample demonstration of that.

The precedent is there - what makes SNP followers think their experiences will be different? I suspect the overwhelming majority do not have a clue about the Canada situation and have no interest in learning about it.

Edited by r11co on Saturday 27th June 08:09

I went to Quebec in 1992 and saw it with my own eyes. The "poor" and "downtrodden" Francophiles had already created loads of extra demands, bureaucracy and red tape that slowed the economy right down.

Everything and I mean EVERYTHING had to be dual language. I was working for a company supplying software to the rail company and there was an entire office block dedicated to people who would read English computer manuals, transcribe them into French and print them out. Un-f*****g believable. BBC Scotland Gaelic productions, anyone?

On the building outside there were two neon signs. One said "Transport Canada". The other said "Transports Canada". Yes, folks, the second one was in French. Sound familiar? Replacing all the road signs in the Highlands so they've all got Gaelic on them as well?

They'd already pissed away the legacy from the Montreal games. The sites were supposed to be used for major business conventions but after a few years the Americans stopped coming. They'd apparently got tired of waiters pretending they didn't understand English and spitting in their soup. Well done Frenchies, that showed them, eh?

I asked one of the bosses at Transport Canada how it worked. He was well educated and well paid and explained that he'd moved in from another part of Canada. As he hadn't gone to an English speaking school there as a kid he was obliged to send his children to French-speaking school. I asked what the end result was and he explained that kids of the "privileged" became bi-lingual and ended up managing companies like Transport Canada and the Francophiles created their own ghetto and became ticket inspectors. I really don't think this is what the cheese munchers actually had in mind.

It was a really eye opener for me and put me off separatism/nationalism for life. A few short years later Yugoslavia kicked off and that really sealed it for me. At best you have tons of pointless bureacracy, at worst angry, bitter divisiveness. Ah'm oot.

[technodup]

AC43 said:

Sound familiar? Replacing all the road signs in the Highlands so they've all got Gaelic on them as well?

Railway stations too. And not just on the West Highland line where it could be argued it makes some sense (not a lot mind), all stations.

I'm looking at Pollokshields an Iar right now. Or Pollokshields West to any normal person. The SNP love a bit of rebranding though, look what they call a government.

[AC43]

technodup said:

AC43 said:

Sound familiar? Replacing all the road signs in the Highlands so they've all got Gaelic on them as well?

Railway stations too. And not just on the West Highland line where it could be argued it makes some sense (not a lot mind), all stations.

I'm looking at Pollokshields an Iar right now. Or Pollokshields West to any normal person. The SNP love a bit of rebranding though, look what they call a government.

So because 1.1% of people in Scotland speak Gaelic the remaining 98.9% have to chip in to replace all the signs?

On that basis, as nearly 2% of people in London speak Polish, I'd better get the other 98% ready to stump up to replace all the road signs with dual English/Polish versions.

[technodup]

AC43 said:

So because 1.1% of people in Scotland speak Gaelic the remaining 98.9% have to chip in to replace all the signs?

On that basis, as nearly 2% of people in London speak Polish, I'd better get the other 98% ready to stump up to replace all the road signs with dual English/Polish versions.

You better get a Polish TV channel too, seeing as you're part paying for BBC Alba already.

Might as well like, it's only money.

[AC43]

technodup said:

AC43 said:

So because 1.1% of people in Scotland speak Gaelic the remaining 98.9% have to chip in to replace all the signs?

On that basis, as nearly 2% of people in London speak Polish, I'd better get the other 98% ready to stump up to replace all the road signs with dual English/Polish versions.

You better get a Polish TV channel too, seeing as you're part paying for BBC Alba already.

Might as well like, it's only money.

Fair enough, will do. I was actually thinking I should get them two channels as there as twice as many per hear of population and it's probably their rights and that and with the free money I'm going to get from the people in the big houses it won't actually cost anything.

[roadtripboy]

With people from all over Europe and beyond absolutely desparate to get into the UK, it seems it's the place to be. Everyone wants in.

There is only ONE group of people for whom the UK is not good enough and want to leave - and ironically they live in the part of the UK that gets a better deal than anybody else.

No prizes for guessing who that group is!