Cyclist knocks over child ON THE PAVEMENT...

Cyclist knocks over child ON THE PAVEMENT...

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ewenm

28,506 posts

245 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
Davel said:
Oh and I realise that riding on the pavement is illegal. I don't do it but there are places where I can understand why a cyclist would choose to do so.

I don't personally have a problem with it provided that they are doing it slowly and considerately - preferably when the pavement is empty or quiet.
In the same way as I have no trouble with bank robbers as long as they don't steal my money or rob my bank.
Not really. For me it is in the same way that I don't mind drivers parking partly across the pavement for a short period of time, assuming the pavement is empty or quiet.

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Timmy40 said:
simoid said:
Interesting that they thought the child could've been seriously injured (with broken bones etc) so the Dad decided it was best to "sweep her" up off the pavement...!
Well WTF would you have done? Left your kid bleeding ad crying for you, whilst you assessed her? Unless your a Vulcan I think most people would have reacted the way that Dad did.
If I thought my child could've been seriously injured with broken bones I don't think I'd be moving them and would be calling an ambulance.

I think it might be more a case of journalistic or parental hyperbole, than inappropriate actions however.

Davel

8,982 posts

258 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
In the same way as I have no trouble with bank robbers as long as they don't steal my money or rob my bank.
Sorry but I just don't get your comparison in this respect.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Davel said:
I guess that it can be the natural instinct to pick your child up and hug him/her to protect them and reassure them.

I doubt that he had thought that he might make things worse by doing so.
Yes, precisely. It's not always a split second in which you sit back and have a think, you want to protect your child from further harm and comfort them immediately. The instinct is to pick up and hold the child close, then examine the injuries. Medically the wrong thing to do no doubt. But none-the-less the way it is.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Davel said:
Grumfutock said:
In the same way as I have no trouble with bank robbers as long as they don't steal my money or rob my bank.
Sorry but I just don't get your comparison in this respect.
I was highlighting the fact that to say breaking the law is fine as long as it is done with consideration, to me, is a tad crazy.

Mr Will

13,719 posts

206 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Every year an average of 34 pedestrians on pavements are killed by motorists. Countless more are injured, often significantly more than this child was. Yes, this cyclist was an idiot but (as a law-abiding pedestrian) cyclists in general should be a long way down your list of worries.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Mr Will said:
Every year an average of 34 pedestrians on pavements are killed by motorists. Countless more are injured, often significantly more than this child was. Yes, this cyclist was an idiot but (as a law-abiding pedestrian) cyclists in general should be a long way down your list of worries.
Source please.

Steve vRS

4,845 posts

241 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good headline.

Mr Will

13,719 posts

206 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
Davel said:
Grumfutock said:
In the same way as I have no trouble with bank robbers as long as they don't steal my money or rob my bank.
Sorry but I just don't get your comparison in this respect.
I was highlighting the fact that to say breaking the law is fine as long as it is done with consideration, to me, is a tad crazy.
You've never broken the speed limit then? Made an illegal u-turn? Parked briefly on double yellow lines?

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Mr Will said:
Every year an average of 34 pedestrians on pavements are killed by motorists. Countless more are injured, often significantly more than this child was. Yes, this cyclist was an idiot but (as a law-abiding pedestrian) cyclists in general should be a long way down your list of worries.
Were those motorists deliberately driving down the pavement under control, or had they lost control of their vehicle for whatever reason and unintentionally mounted the pavement?

Mr Will

13,719 posts

206 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
Mr Will said:
Every year an average of 34 pedestrians on pavements are killed by motorists. Countless more are injured, often significantly more than this child was. Yes, this cyclist was an idiot but (as a law-abiding pedestrian) cyclists in general should be a long way down your list of worries.
Source please.
Reported Road Casualties Great Britain (2010-13 Table RAS 300026; 2009 Table 32): https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/road-acc...

Mr Will

13,719 posts

206 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Timmy40 said:
Mr Will said:
Every year an average of 34 pedestrians on pavements are killed by motorists. Countless more are injured, often significantly more than this child was. Yes, this cyclist was an idiot but (as a law-abiding pedestrian) cyclists in general should be a long way down your list of worries.
Were those motorists deliberately driving down the pavement under control, or had they lost control of their vehicle for whatever reason and unintentionally mounted the pavement?
Does it really make a difference?

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Mr Will said:
Timmy40 said:
Mr Will said:
Every year an average of 34 pedestrians on pavements are killed by motorists. Countless more are injured, often significantly more than this child was. Yes, this cyclist was an idiot but (as a law-abiding pedestrian) cyclists in general should be a long way down your list of worries.
Were those motorists deliberately driving down the pavement under control, or had they lost control of their vehicle for whatever reason and unintentionally mounted the pavement?
Does it really make a difference?
Intent.

RizzoTheRat

25,166 posts

192 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
Mr Will said:
Every year an average of 34 pedestrians on pavements are killed by motorists. Countless more are injured, often significantly more than this child was. Yes, this cyclist was an idiot but (as a law-abiding pedestrian) cyclists in general should be a long way down your list of worries.
Source please.
Shame they don't say where the info comes from
http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaigning/views-and-briefi...

ONS only record pedestrian deaths not whether they were, but reckon 2-3 killed by cyclists every year, and an average of 200 killed by motor vehicles
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/uk_accident...


(yes I'm bored)

TEKNOPUG

18,958 posts

205 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Steve vRS said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Steve vRS said:
It is, it really is. Everyone just has to accept that all road users have the same rights and responsibilities on the roads as others. When riding on the roads I behave like traffic and on the whole, am treated like traffic.

But adults riding on the pavements need to grow up and get on the roads.

Steve
That's fine on the assumption that all road users are equal. But they're not.
I fully agree. Cars are far more dangerous than bikes.
Exactly.

TEKNOPUG

18,958 posts

205 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Steve vRS said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Steve vRS said:
It is, it really is. Everyone just has to accept that all road users have the same rights and responsibilities on the roads as others. When riding on the roads I behave like traffic and on the whole, am treated like traffic.

But adults riding on the pavements need to grow up and get on the roads.

Steve
That's fine on the assumption that all road users are equal. But they're not.
I fully agree. Cars are far more dangerous than bikes.
Exactly.

Davel

8,982 posts

258 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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No I'm not but not everything is black & white is it?

It might be in law but not always in real life - and common sense should come into it somewhere.

Anyway, I'm not trying to pick an argument so we'll just agree to disagree.

Jasandjules

69,910 posts

229 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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wolves_wanderer said:
cry

Maybe they realise it isn't terribly efficient or sensible for a bunch of people to sit in a ton of metal on their own, surrounded by thousands of other people doing the same thing twice a day, for a distance that they could cycle in less than an hour if they weren't so lazy?
Not everyone can cycle. You be grateful for your health. Me, I need a car.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Jasandjules said:
wolves_wanderer said:
cry

Maybe they realise it isn't terribly efficient or sensible for a bunch of people to sit in a ton of metal on their own, surrounded by thousands of other people doing the same thing twice a day, for a distance that they could cycle in less than an hour if they weren't so lazy?
Not everyone can cycle. You be grateful for your health. Me, I need a car.
Most people can but don't. The more of us who cycle the better as it leaves more room for cars when they're actually needed smile

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Mr Will said:
You've never broken the speed limit then? Made an illegal u-turn? Parked briefly on double yellow lines?
Yes, no and no.

Sorry but where did I say I hadn't? It wasn't part of the debate remotely.