IN-OUT Shake it all about.
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Nothing has changed. The policy is to have it by the end of 2017. There has been talking of holding it sooner if practicable.
You can keep trying to get "Desperate Dave" to stick, but it is laughable when he has just won a majority. Just learn to live with the fact that UKIP lost one of their two seats.
You can keep trying to get "Desperate Dave" to stick, but it is laughable when he has just won a majority. Just learn to live with the fact that UKIP lost one of their two seats.
Elroy Blue said:
What are the odds on the referendum wording being simply 'in' or 'out'. I suspect it will be very ambiguous and will give lots of wriggle room.
The promise was on a simple in-out choice. I guess we'll see if that's met or not but no point casting doubt until we see the actual choice.I hope the debate won't sink to the depths of the Scottish Independence Referendum and that we can keep it polite and open. Falling back to entrenched views doesn't help anyone reach enlightenment.
MGJohn said:
Oh well. That's told me. Looks like further delay. End of 2017 .... Over half the current term.
I must have imagined the 2016 dateline in the run up to the GE.
I seem to recall Burnham saying it should be next year only last week having not been in favour before the election. Perhaps that's what you heard. I must have imagined the 2016 dateline in the run up to the GE.
Elroy Blue said:
What are the odds on the referendum wording being simply 'in' or 'out'. I suspect it will be very ambiguous and will give lots of wriggle room.
It won't be 'in' or 'out' but it is unlikely to be ambiguous. The actual wording has yet to be fixed but will have to be approved by the Electoral Commission who will want it to be as clear as possible. They have already done some research and think that the clearest question is:'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?'
With the 2 answers:
'Remain a member of the European Union'
'Leave the European Union'
Interesting in these threads that no one really wants to set down their idea of what reform means. I'm not even sure Dave knows. He won't get anywhere on immigration, still thinking that benefit reforms are some how going to put 218K people a year off coming here, what planet is he on and how come anyone else suggesting migrants coming partly for the benefits is denounced utterly as a racist bigot perpetuating myths, yet somehow when he does it it's held up as a great way of reducing numbers without the need for any controls ?
Truckosaurus said:
Also, how out is 'out'? The 3 main 'outs' Norway, Iceland and Switzerland still have the free movement of people from the rest of the EU, so if we end up like them most of the 'kippers are going to be disappointed when their plumber is still Polish.
This.We can leave the EU as a political entity but remain part of the Single Market, something that is regularly overlooked by media, politicians and other assorted inners. We could use that as a stepping stone to joining the global market on our own terms without the handicap of the EU approach.
I believe Cameron will do a Wilson, come back with some minor concessions, claim they are major changes and then support a stay in campaign. The Stay In campaign even now is based on lots of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) and this will only increase. Sadly there is not a single Out campaign group but lots of different ideas and approaches, including UKIP's.
By far the best one I've seen (FLEXCIT) is on the EU Referendum Site hosted by Dr North who also gives the best analysis with source material identified. His approach, is however, very abrasive and he tends to be ignored by mainstream media and politicians.
I doubt very much we will be leaving the EU or the Single Market as a result of this referendum.
Truckosaurus said:
Also, how out is 'out'? The 3 main 'outs' Norway, Iceland and Switzerland still have the free movement of people from the rest of the EU, so if we end up like them most of the 'kippers are going to be disappointed when their plumber is still Polish.
My plumber is British ... me.Control, it's about control.
300,000 and set to rise will no longer be out of control. Needing a refresher, I'm off to look up the meaning of the word....
Unsustainable... A word even Dave has been using of late ... Good for Dave.
MGJohn said:
My plumber is British ... me.
Control, it's about control.
300,000 and set to rise will no longer be out of control. Needing a refresher, I'm off to look up the meaning of the word....
Unsustainable... A word even Dave has been using of late ... Good for Dave.
As free movement of people is part of the free movement of goods and services deal I fail to see how leaving the EU will make any difference or add to any control unless we propose to leave the free trade area.Control, it's about control.
300,000 and set to rise will no longer be out of control. Needing a refresher, I'm off to look up the meaning of the word....
Unsustainable... A word even Dave has been using of late ... Good for Dave.
We already have control of non-EU immigration and struggle to manage that anyway.
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