The 'No to the EU' campaign

[JagLover]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I was being a little facetious. You're right the immigration is a very important issue, and one of the strongest arguments for Leave.

I was referring to how Farage not so elegantly conflated HIV and immigration during one of the 2015 GE debates.

Oh you are right

I remember reading somewhere that most new HIV diagnosis were among recent immigrants but it is one of those truths you cant say anymore. Best to pick your battles.

[Pan Pan Pan]

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

That is because most of them probably are. After 40 years Remaininnies still seem completely unable to come up with sound reasons (any sound reason) for the UK to stay in the EU. Only on what `might. happen if the UK does not.

[alfie2244]

Pan Pan Pan said:

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

That is because most of them probably are. After 40 years Remaininnies still seem completely unable to come up with sound reasons (any sound reason) for the UK to stay in the EU. Only on what `might. happen if the UK does not.

Cheaper roaming charges... Doh!!!

[Pan Pan Pan]

Perhaps one option if the UK does vote to remain in the EU, is to block everything we can, Don't pay any EU fines they impose on the UK, hand our subscriptions in late, or reduced by amounts needed by the UK to carry out the works the UK needs ( I wonder how many millions the UK received in aid from the EU to clear up this years flood damage in the country?) and simply ignore any rules the UK does not agree with, like the French do. With a bit of intelligent accounting the UK might actually make its membership of the UK actually pay for the ordinary UK citizen.

[Pan Pan Pan]

alfie2244 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

That is because most of them probably are. After 40 years Remaininnies still seem completely unable to come up with sound reasons (any sound reason) for the UK to stay in the EU. Only on what `might. happen if the UK does not.

Cheaper roaming charges... Doh!!!

Oh damn! completely forget about cheaper mobile roaming charges, I just knew there was a sound all encompassing killer reason why the UK needed to stay in the EU!

[EddieSteadyGo]

JagLover said:

I remember reading somewhere that most new HIV diagnosis were among recent immigrants but it is one of those truths you cant say anymore. Best to pick your battles.

Might be worth quoting the source as I'm not sure this is likely to relate to immigration from within the EU.

Surely much more likely to relate to Africa where the majority of HIV cases are located. But happy to be proved wrong.

[Road2Ruin]

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

Does anyone else read the posts from the leave camp and think they sound utterly pathetic? Well if you do then you quite clearly haven't grasped the fact that whatever 'camp' you are in is intitled to their own opinion and belittling then makes you look silly. Let's have a debate but respect each other.

[JagLover]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Might be worth quoting the source as I'm not sure this is likely to relate to immigration from within the EU.

Surely much more likely to relate to Africa where the majority of HIV cases are located. But happy to be proved wrong.

Yes, nothing to do with the EU.

It is a Black African issue mainly.

An article about this

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/dec/...

[EddieSteadyGo]

JagLover said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Might be worth quoting the source as I'm not sure this is likely to relate to immigration from within the EU.

Surely much more likely to relate to Africa where the majority of HIV cases are located. But happy to be proved wrong.

Yes, nothing to do with the EU.

It is a Black African issue mainly.

An article about this

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/dec/...

Good link - thanks.

[///ajd]

Road2Ruin said:

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

Does anyone else read the posts from the leave camp and think they sound utterly pathetic? Well if you do then you quite clearly haven't grasped the fact that whatever 'camp' you are in is entitled to their own opinion and belittling then makes you look silly. Let's have a debate but respect each other.

Indeed.

Which particular post did danllama consider utterly pathetic, and why?

Can he actually debate his counter position, or not?

[Funkycoldribena]

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

Yep,seem very childish, some of it quite embarrassing.
Almost as if you're trying to tell a kid not to stick his hand in a fire.

[Funkycoldribena]

///ajd said:

Road2Ruin said:

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

Does anyone else read the posts from the leave camp and think they sound utterly pathetic? Well if you do then you quite clearly haven't grasped the fact that whatever 'camp' you are in is entitled to their own opinion and belittling then makes you look silly. Let's have a debate but respect each other.

Indeed.

Which particular post did danllama consider utterly pathetic, and why?

Can he actually debate his counter position, or not?

Most of them.The fact there's corruption right in front your face,the fact there's been complete overriding of democracy in certain countries. Everything after the referendum is pure guesswork, yet scaremongering by the remainders comes by the day,short of Juncker mugging you in the street what level of corruption would it take to make you see them for what they are?

[///ajd]

Funkycoldribena said:

///ajd said:

Road2Ruin said:

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

Does anyone else read the posts from the leave camp and think they sound utterly pathetic? Well if you do then you quite clearly haven't grasped the fact that whatever 'camp' you are in is entitled to their own opinion and belittling then makes you look silly. Let's have a debate but respect each other.

Indeed.

Which particular post did danllama consider utterly pathetic, and why?

Can he actually debate his counter position, or not?

Most of them.The fact there's corruption right in front your face,the fact there's been complete overriding of democracy in certain countries. Everything after the referendum is pure guesswork, yet scaremongering by the remainders comes by the day,short of Juncker mugging you in the street what level of corruption would it take to make you see them for what they are?

Is that a "no he can't debate his position" then, seeing as you are speaking for him?

[Funkycoldribena]

///ajd said:

Is that a "no he can't debate his position" then, seeing as you are speaking for him?

And the childish point is proved again...

[///ajd]

Funkycoldribena said:

///ajd said:

Is that a "no he can't debate his position" then, seeing as you are speaking for him?

And the childish point is proved again...

Stop speaking for him - I agree that brexiters who throw accusations of others being "utterly pathetic" without reason or explanation could fit that tag, but I think you should give him the opportunity to respond before you call danllama childish.

[danllama]

Maybe I am childish, maybe not. But I certainly have debated in this thread before and have been reading from the beginning, and the statement I made is accurate as far as I'm concerned, to the point that I'd rather not bother posting anymore.

Funkycoldribena was spot on, so I'm glad he spoke for me as I'm at work.

Anyway, the point is I read the last few pages in one sitting and came to the statement I made at the top of this page. I was only being honest. I respect your right to say something but I don't have to respect what you're saying.

[///ajd]

danllama said:

Maybe I am childish, maybe not. But I certainly have debated in this thread before and have been reading from the beginning, and the statement I made is accurate as far as I'm concerned, to the point that I'd rather not bother posting anymore.

Funkycoldribena was spot on, so I'm glad he spoke for me as I'm at work.

Anyway, the point is I read the last few pages in one sitting and came to the statement I made at the top of this page. I was only being honest. I respect your right to say something but I don't have to respect what you're saying.

OK, thanks. Case closed.

[markh1973]

danllama said:

Does anybody else read posts from the 'Remain' camp and just think they sound utterly pathetic?

Whereas all the posters thinking of new names for people in the "remain" camp are obviously displaying the fine art of political debate. Not pathetic at all.

[Likes Fast Cars]

///ajd said:

saw this from new major

kahn said:

He also revealed that the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, had told him on a visit – “only half-jokingly” – that she would “roll out the red carpet” to welcome London-based companies to her city if Britain voted to leave.

now he is bang on the money here with half joking. yes she's making a little joke, but she is also deadly serious. this is a revealing insight into one of my main reasons to remain.

germany, but especially france, will take every opportunity to benefit from brexit - and make no mistake they will be ruthless, and ultimately reasonably effective at dong so.

this is not scaremongering either - anyone with any experience of these countries will confirm it. when i first worked with the french in the mid 90s, a senior collegue said "working with the french is easy, just know they will try and get one over on you at every opportunity. you know its coming so prepare to negotiate accordingly". it was a truism then, and still is today.

What she and these Eurocratic (failing) countries forget is that a Britain out of the EU will have far, far less regulation and red tape and will actually be attractive and more profitable for businesses to remain in. Why on earth would a successful business want to relocate to an EU country?

[///ajd]

Likes Fast Cars said:

///ajd said:

saw this from new major

kahn said:

He also revealed that the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, had told him on a visit – “only half-jokingly” – that she would “roll out the red carpet” to welcome London-based companies to her city if Britain voted to leave.

now he is bang on the money here with half joking. yes she's making a little joke, but she is also deadly serious. this is a revealing insight into one of my main reasons to remain.

germany, but especially france, will take every opportunity to benefit from brexit - and make no mistake they will be ruthless, and ultimately reasonably effective at dong so.

this is not scaremongering either - anyone with any experience of these countries will confirm it. when i first worked with the french in the mid 90s, a senior collegue said "working with the french is easy, just know they will try and get one over on you at every opportunity. you know its coming so prepare to negotiate accordingly". it was a truism then, and still is today.

What she and these Eurocratic (failing) countries forget is that a Britain out of the EU will have far, far less regulation and red tape and will actually be attractive and more profitable for businesses to remain in. Why on earth would a successful business want to relocate to an EU country?

Two issues:

1. You assume UK will have less regulation, but infact the opposite could well be true. Our H&S laws make many practices in the EU look reckless. In any case, many regulations are supported and even pushed by the UK. As I was accused of earlier - you are in dreamland to think otherwise. Who has one of the lowest motorway speed limits in the EU? (our safety record is excellent, but it makes a point, whether we as I assume petrolheads agree with it or not, the UK loves cotton wool regulation).

2. The example I gave earlier related to passporting financial services - depending on the brexit plan, these maybe forced to relocate to within the EU (i.e. outside the UK). If there was a coherent brexit plan, we could discuss the likelihood of this happening. Under flexcit it may not happen immediately, but under the more aggressive plans, it could well occur quite quickly. Of course in brexit dreamland, we will immediately secure a veto on the four freedoms (blocking immigration etc.), whilst preserving all our access to the EU trade zone (protecting our services perhaps), and pay nothing! Should be a piece of cake, seeing how it is so easy for the UK to push around the 28 other EU member nations to get them to do exactly what we want. Oh.....