The 'No to the EU' campaign

[AstonZagato]

davepoth said:

AstonZagato said:

Credit Suisse and UBS have headquartered their investment banks in London because they can't do so in Switzerland and be inside the EU. Senior management and compliance need to be located inside the EU.

EU senior management and EU compliance need to be inside the EU, so any banks' EU presence needs to be no more than a branch office if that's what they decide to do.

I wish it were that simple.

[Likes Fast Cars]

AstonZagato said:

I've lived and worked in Frankfurt. It isn't a patch on London. there isn't the talent there.

... & it's dull and boring!

[MrBarry123]

Sam All said:

If the case to remain is convincing, why are the majority not convinced?

Do they not trust the purveyors of the remain campaign, or is their case not capable of being put forward in a manner that convinces?

Because it's very easy for the leave campaign to summarise the benefits of leaving (they just highlight all the inefficiencies and unfairness within the EU) with the UK public lapping this up however failing to realise there is no plan for being out of Europe.

This makes the remain campaign a very difficult one to convince people to vote for as they can't tell people that keeping the inefficiencies and unfairness is okay and a price worth paying*.

*I'm not of the opinion it is and ultimately I'm undecided at the moment - I'm concerned about losing our democratic power to govern ourselves however conversely I'm concerned about the economic impact of leaving.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Sam All said:

If the case to remain is convincing, why are the majority not convinced?

Do they not trust the purveyors of the remain campaign, or is their case not capable of being put forward in a manner that convinces?

If the EU had actually been a fraction as good for the UK as the remainers are desperately trying to make out, we wouldn't even be having this referendum, as everyone in the UK would want to stay in the wonderful EU. Only they don't, so something is clearly wrong with an organization that after 40 years doesn't seem to have anything solid to show UK voters why they should now vote to remain, only dire scare stories of what will happen to the UK if it leaves. Something clearly rotten in the EU, but some it seems, cannot, or do not want to see this.

[danllama]

Log in to faceballs to see Germany are going to spend 106BN Euros on refugees through to 2020. How much of that are they relying on us for, I wonder? Maybe they should hold off on writing any cheques for now.

The situation will become absolutely dire for them, taking 500k+ a year.

[davepoth]

AstonZagato said:

I wish it were that simple.

So how does it work then? What does a bank whose head office is in (for example) New York do? Move their head office to Europe, or incorporate a division of the company there which has responsibility for just the EU?

[dandarez]

Was in Cameron Town this morning. LEAVE and IN were out in force. Something was very, very noticeable.

No sign of any politicians (that I could see). Lots of paraphernalia being handed out, nice big Leave badges, one of which I took.
Back to the noticeable thing. The tables manned by IN were all, from what I could see, and talk with, under 18. I did ask the age of one but she told me bluntly not to be rude!!

LEAVE was a mixture of all ages.

Must tell you something? It told me there were very wet behind the ears.

[danllama]

The under 20's do seem to want to stay in for some reason. Brainwashed idiots.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Mr GrimNasty said:

s2art said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

So are we expecting EU politics to affect our position in the Eurovision tonight?

In a strange way, yes. There will be countries in Europe whose people will be cheering us on. Norway for one.

I'm wondering if after being openly hated all these years, EU countries might fling us a bone this year in a derisory effort to make the UK public feel good about 'Europe'.

I got that completely wrong!

[Pan Pan Pan]

dandarez said:

Was in Cameron Town this morning. LEAVE and IN were out in force. Something was very, very noticeable.

No sign of any politicians (that I could see). Lots of paraphernalia being handed out, nice big Leave badges, one of which I took.
Back to the noticeable thing. The tables manned by IN were all, from what I could see, and talk with, under 18. I did ask the age of one but she told me bluntly not to be rude!!

LEAVE was a mixture of all ages.

Must tell you something? It told me there were very wet behind the ears.

Just goes to show that some of the young do have a brain, if they were on the leave campaign. However it has been said that those in favour of the leave campaign are likely to be the older voter.
This may be down to the fact that many of them fought in a war and lost relatives, and friends to stop a certain European country militarily dominating the European continent.
It may not be lost on them that, that same certain European country is now doing and succeeding in trying to do the same thing economically, and politically.
Of course on the remain side, being young means that getting cheaper roaming charges on their mobile phones will be the main/key deciding factor in swinging their vote to remain in the EU

[Mr GrimNasty]

danllama said:

Log in to faceballs to see Germany are going to spend 106BN Euros on refugees through to 2020. How much of that are they relying on us for, I wonder? Maybe they should hold off on writing any cheques for now.

The situation will become absolutely dire for them, taking 500k+ a year.

Refugee flow seems to be 99% young male Africans now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36283316

Isn't it about time Merkel sent out the message that the door is closed - it is the responsible thing to do.

[danllama]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Refugee flow seems to be 99% young male Africans now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36283316

Isn't it about time Merkel sent out the message that the door is closed - it is the responsible thing to do.

Apparently the opposite. They are taking 600k this year, 400k next year, and 300k per year thereafter. Presumably until Africa/Middle East is empty?

fking stupid bint.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Mr GrimNasty said:

danllama said:

Log in to faceballs to see Germany are going to spend 106BN Euros on refugees through to 2020. How much of that are they relying on us for, I wonder? Maybe they should hold off on writing any cheques for now.

The situation will become absolutely dire for them, taking 500k+ a year.

Refugee flow seems to be 99% young male Africans now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36283316

Isn't it about time Merkel sent out the message that the door is closed - it is the responsible thing to do.

Why should she, when she can invite them all in, in a decision made by her, and her alone, and then try to offload them onto other EU member states, who were given no say whatsoever in the matter, (and if and when they refuse to take them, impose a 250 thousand Euro EU fine on those EU member states for each and every `refugee' they refuse entry to?

[mph1977]

Likes Fast Cars said:

<snip>

What she and these Eurocratic (failing) countries forget is that a Britain out of the EU will have far, far less regulation and red tape and will actually be attractive and more profitable for businesses to remain in. Why on earth would a successful business want to relocate to an EU country?

will it ?

I suspect a lot of the health and safety legislatio nand regulation will remain if not get stricter

major changes to employment law would be a big vote loser for everyone but the "tory 'kippers" ( despite the fact that the the biggest gains in the 'forgotten by the mainstream parties' demographic is the "labour 'kipper" - the unions are already by and large restricted to what they should be restricted to and with the steady change in workforce pattern in a lot of unionised jobs the pwoer of a monolithic structure to hold the Uk to ransom is depleted ...

I don't see governments of any colour other than 'kipper dismantling the environmental protection stuff ...

[Ridgemont]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Refugee flow seems to be 99% young male Africans now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36283316

Isn't it about time Merkel sent out the message that the door is closed - it is the responsible thing to do.

Long interview with a migrant from Gambia on the BBC yesterday. Gambia: a country a few miles wide and as long as a river, with no significant civil unrest. The Beeb interviewer tiptoed around the point but the interviewee was explicit; I'm here for a better life. Which is just hunky dory. Now which of the other 1bn Africans looking for a better life are we going to turn away? Or are we beyond the point of no return? Merkel has a hell of a lot to answer for.

[steveatesh]

mph1977 said:

will it ?

I suspect a lot of the health and safety legislatio nand regulation will remain if not get stricter

major changes to employment law would be a big vote loser for everyone but the "tory 'kippers" ( despite the fact that the the biggest gains in the 'forgotten by the mainstream parties' demographic is the "labour 'kipper" - the unions are already by and large restricted to what they should be restricted to and with the steady change in workforce pattern in a lot of unionised jobs the pwoer of a monolithic structure to hold the Uk to ransom is depleted ...

I don't see governments of any colour other than 'kipper dismantling the environmental protection stuff ...

Isn't the environmental protection stuff actually originating from the UN rather than the EU? In which case an independent UK could not change it even if they wanted to?

[powerstroke]

mph1977 said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

<snip>

What she and these Eurocratic (failing) countries forget is that a Britain out of the EU will have far, far less regulation and red tape and will actually be attractive and more profitable for businesses to remain in. Why on earth would a successful business want to relocate to an EU country?

will it ?

I suspect a lot of the health and safety legislatio nand regulation will remain if not get stricter

major changes to employment law would be a big vote loser for everyone but the "tory 'kippers" ( despite the fact that the the biggest gains in the 'forgotten by the mainstream parties' demographic is the "labour 'kipper" - the unions are already by and large restricted to what they should be restricted to and with the steady change in workforce pattern in a lot of unionised jobs the pwoer of a monolithic structure to hold the Uk to ransom is depleted ...

I don't see governments of any colour other than 'kipper dismantling the environmental protection stuff ...

Just that we will have a clear view of who is to blame
And a GE will mean something ,policy and delivery without the EU to hide behind when or if they fail........

[zygalski]

danllama said:

The under 20's do seem to want to stay in for some reason. Brainwashed idiots.

And the over 60's all seem to want to leave. Living in the dim & distant past, viewed very much through rose-tinted glasses.

[turbobloke]

zygalski said:

danllama said:

The under 20's do seem to want to stay in for some reason. Brainwashed idiots.

And the over 60's all seem to want to leave. Living in the dim & distant past, viewed very much through rose-tinted glasses.

Over 60? I'll let you know in due course if spared long enough.

Then again it really was a bugger living without the prospect of cheaper roaming charges.

[Likes Fast Cars]

mph1977 said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

<snip>

What she and these Eurocratic (failing) countries forget is that a Britain out of the EU will have far, far less regulation and red tape and will actually be attractive and more profitable for businesses to remain in. Why on earth would a successful business want to relocate to an EU country?

will it ?

I suspect a lot of the health and safety legislatio nand regulation will remain if not get stricter

major changes to employment law would be a big vote loser for everyone but the "tory 'kippers" ( despite the fact that the the biggest gains in the 'forgotten by the mainstream parties' demographic is the "labour 'kipper" - the unions are already by and large restricted to what they should be restricted to and with the steady change in workforce pattern in a lot of unionised jobs the pwoer of a monolithic structure to hold the Uk to ransom is depleted ...

I don't see governments of any colour other than 'kipper dismantling the environmental protection stuff ...

This will be one of the big tests for democracy. For years a large number of people and businesses have been complaining about such regulations; the government has said the Eu-imposed laws are too overbearing and restrictive.
Once we're out the pressure will be on the government to make good and repeal a lot of the gold-plating and excess - or get voted out of office.
The environmental issue has become more global (via the G20).