The 'No to the EU' campaign

[turbobloke]

People are being stitched up like a kipper.

[jjlynn27]

alfie2244 said:

For someone that thinks UKIP has been destroyed you don't half spent a lot of time and energy worrying about them.

Cue the CTF back up forces.

The fact that something has been destroyed shouldn't prevent having a laugh at the leftovers. But you are actually right, I'm covering my worry about resurgence of kipper-youth.



Any day now, they'll jump into action.

[jjlynn27]

turbobloke said:

If I catch a glimpse of a kipper I'll be sure to pass the message on.

Look, on the left.

turbobloke said:

Are CMD-skeptical Brexit supporters in full swing too? Would you decline to interrupt them as well?

Depends, are they as pro-hunt as good, hard-working countryside folk?

[alfie2244]

jjlynn27 said:

alfie2244 said:

For someone that thinks UKIP has been destroyed you don't half spent a lot of time and energy worrying about them.

Cue the CTF back up forces.

The fact that something has been destroyed shouldn't prevent having a laugh at the leftovers. But you are actually right, I'm covering my worry about resurgence of kipper-youth.



Any day now, they'll jump into action.

I was a young opinionated upstart once upon a time but things change as you will find out one day....so laugh away young man and enjoy while you can.

[turbobloke]

jjlynn27 said:

turbobloke said:

If I catch a glimpse of a kipper I'll be sure to pass the message on.

Look, on the left.

To the left of your comment was a PHer ID 'jjlynn27'. Really?

jjlynn27 said:

turbobloke said:

Are CMD-skeptical Brexit supporters in full swing too? Would you decline to interrupt them as well?

Depends, are they as pro-hunt as good, hard-working countryside folk?

Some may well be. While comment isn't free in some places, for example over at The Guardian CIF site - because they delete posts and ban non-conformity while allowing lefties to gush the mush around the paper's own left-liberal bias - thought and comment are still free on PH.

[turbobloke]

Why we must quit the EU...Cost of living would FALL by 8 percent

"A Brexit would see the cost of living plummet 8 percent 'on day one' according to Professor Patrick Minford. Without Brussels shackles Britain would be free to buy imported goods at world prices instead of inflated EU prices leaving hard-pressed families far better off."

[SilverSixer]

turbobloke said:

Why we must quit the EU...Cost of living would FALL by 8 percent

"A Brexit would see the cost of living plummet 8 percent 'on day one' according to Professor Patrick Minford. Without Brussels shackles Britain would be free to buy imported goods at world prices instead of inflated EU prices leaving hard-pressed families far better off."

Deflation being presented as a good thing again? Oh dear.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/warning-of-de...

[turbobloke]

SilverSixer said:

turbobloke said:

Why we must quit the EU...Cost of living would FALL by 8 percent

"A Brexit would see the cost of living plummet 8 percent 'on day one' according to Professor Patrick Minford. Without Brussels shackles Britain would be free to buy imported goods at world prices instead of inflated EU prices leaving hard-pressed families far better off."

Deflation being presented as a good thing again? Oh dear.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/warning-of-de...

Inflation vs Cost of Living

"Inflation is to be distinguished from the cost of living. While central banks, and only central banks, can control the domestic purchasing power of our money, central banks are largely powerless to prevent fluctuations in the cost of living."

[steveT350C]

'More than €133.6 billion of European Union budget payments last year were “affected by material error”, with official auditors expected to brand them as irregular and possibly illegal.'

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/ar...

article nearly 16 hours old; hope that is ok?

[Mark Benson]

A typically thoughtful piece by a prominent (whisper it) lefty.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015...

Including this from darling of the left, Mr Benn:

Tony Benn said:

If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system

[turbobloke]

Mark Benson said:

A typically thoughtful piece by a prominent (whisper it) lefty.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015...

Including this from darling of the left, Mr Benn:

Tony Benn said:

If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system

Benn got that right.

[steveT350C]

jjlynn27 said:

LOL. As predictable the kipper-jerk is in a full swing(!). Don't let me interrupt please. Apart from daft article being 14 years old, if it was true quite a lot of people / institutions would be 'outlawed' by now, not to mention the one, the only, the Leader, the unstoppable force that is Dear Nige.

'European Commission vice-president Frans Timmermans, the second most powerful man in Brussels, admits Ukip leader is right on EU's failings'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...

“I get terribly annoyed when he's right. And on some issues he is right too often"

[turbobloke]

steveT350C said:

jjlynn27 said:

LOL. As predictable the kipper-jerk is in a full swing(!). Don't let me interrupt please. Apart from daft article being 14 years old, if it was true quite a lot of people / institutions would be 'outlawed' by now, not to mention the one, the only, the Leader, the unstoppable force that is Dear Nige.

'European Commission vice-president Frans Timmermans, the second most powerful man in Brussels, admits Ukip leader is right on EU's failings'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...

“I get terribly annoyed when he's right. And on some issues he is right too often"

Just as the open democratic EU welcomes constructive criticism has a penchant for seditious libel in its very DNA, now as 14 years ago, so Timmermans' comment will remain true in 14 years' time. There are too many EU failings to start listing them under columns headed Faragic and Tragic; better to leave them to their ever closer union of failings and move on to better things.

[longblackcoat]

turbobloke said:

Mark Benson said:

A typically thoughtful piece by a prominent (whisper it) lefty.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015...

Including this from darling of the left, Mr Benn:

Tony Benn said:

If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system

Benn got that right.

Funny that many people on PH absolutely hated Benn, but they seem willing to support him because he supported one of their own pet subjects.

So can Benn's views be listened to - because, after all, he's a lefty (jeer, spit etc) - or can you bear to tolerate him because he says the same thing as you. Thing is, if you say he's wrong on absolutely everything else, why do you suddenly say that he's right on this one, just wrong on absolutely everything else?

[steveT350C]

turbobloke said:

steveT350C said:

jjlynn27 said:

LOL. As predictable the kipper-jerk is in a full swing(!). Don't let me interrupt please. Apart from daft article being 14 years old, if it was true quite a lot of people / institutions would be 'outlawed' by now, not to mention the one, the only, the Leader, the unstoppable force that is Dear Nige.

'European Commission vice-president Frans Timmermans, the second most powerful man in Brussels, admits Ukip leader is right on EU's failings'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...

“I get terribly annoyed when he's right. And on some issues he is right too often"

Just as the open democratic EU welcomes constructive criticism has a penchant for seditious libel in its very DNA, now as 14 years ago, so Timmermans' comment will remain true in 14 years' time. There are too many EU failings to start listing them under columns headed Faragic and Tragic; better to leave them to their ever closer union of failings and move on to better things.

Indeed!

There is an entire planet out there to build trade relations with. Why on earth anyone would want to be shackled to such an epic failure of a political union project, key word being 'political', as the EU is beyond me.

I notice Boris Johnson is doing what Boris does, this time in Israel, kissing fish.

I am heading out to Israel shortly to actually build some trade relations within the exciting med tech start-up community based out there.

[turbobloke]

longblackcoat said:

turbobloke said:

Mark Benson said:

A typically thoughtful piece by a prominent (whisper it) lefty.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015...

Including this from darling of the left, Mr Benn:

Tony Benn said:

If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system

Benn got that right.

Funny that many people on PH absolutely hated Benn, but they seem willing to support him because he supported one of their own pet subjects.

'Many on PH' is signalled by one post from one PHer? Ho Ho Ho a couple of months early.

I wasn't "supporting Benn" that's an overly brief summary statement that lends greater approval than is warranted. Agreement as cited was for the singular point under discussion.

If you want a generalisation (or not): where Benn was right, he was right, where Benn was wrong, he was Left. HTH

Clearly taking all or nothing of a politician's philosophy isn't on the cards if a person is discriminating in their evaluation of that philosophy, and can discern what would support a prosperous free nation in its growth and the betterment of quality of life for its citizens, and what would not.

If anything can be said about PHers, the power of evaluative reasoning is certainly one attribute often shown by 'many on PH' but not all.

[Mark Benson]

longblackcoat said:

turbobloke said:

Mark Benson said:

A typically thoughtful piece by a prominent (whisper it) lefty.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015...

Including this from darling of the left, Mr Benn:

Tony Benn said:

If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system

Benn got that right.

Funny that many people on PH absolutely hated Benn, but they seem willing to support him because he supported one of their own pet subjects.

So can Benn's views be listened to - because, after all, he's a lefty (jeer, spit etc) - or can you bear to tolerate him because he says the same thing as you. Thing is, if you say he's wrong on absolutely everything else, why do you suddenly say that he's right on this one, just wrong on absolutely everything else?

If you read the article before your knee jerks predictably upwards, Parsons pretty much answers that.

The issue of the EU and the fear of a supra-national state is universal across both left and right. Since jjlynn27 was harping on about Kippers, I thought some balance might be in order, opinion on membership of the EU is not split along party boundaries.

[turbobloke]

Mark Benson said:

longblackcoat said:

turbobloke said:

Mark Benson said:

A typically thoughtful piece by a prominent (whisper it) lefty.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015...

Including this from darling of the left, Mr Benn:

Tony Benn said:

If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system

Benn got that right.

Funny that many people on PH absolutely hated Benn, but they seem willing to support him because he supported one of their own pet subjects.

So can Benn's views be listened to - because, after all, he's a lefty (jeer, spit etc) - or can you bear to tolerate him because he says the same thing as you. Thing is, if you say he's wrong on absolutely everything else, why do you suddenly say that he's right on this one, just wrong on absolutely everything else?

If you read the article before your knee jerks predictably upwards, Parsons pretty much answers that.

The issue of the EU and the fear of a supra-national state is universal across both left and right. Since jjlynn27 was harping on about Kippers, I thought some balance might be in order, opinion on membership of the EU is not split along party boundaries.

Quite right!

[longblackcoat]

turbobloke said:

longblackcoat said:

turbobloke said:

Mark Benson said:

A typically thoughtful piece by a prominent (whisper it) lefty.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015...

Including this from darling of the left, Mr Benn:

Tony Benn said:

If you cannot get rid of the people who govern you, you do not live in a democratic system

Benn got that right.

Funny that many people on PH absolutely hated Benn, but they seem willing to support him because he supported one of their own pet subjects.

'Many on PH' is signalled by one post from one PHer? Ho Ho Ho a couple of months early.

I wasn't "supporting Benn" that's an overly brief summary statement that lends greater approval than is warranted. Agreement as cited was for the singular point under discussion.

If you want a generalisation (or not): where Benn was right, he was right, where Benn was wrong, he was Left. HTH

Clearly taking all or nothing of a politician's philosophy isn't on the cards if a person is discriminating in their evaluation of that philosophy, and can discern what would support a prosperous free nation in its growth and the betterment of quality of life for its citizens, and what would not.

If anything can be said about PHers, the power of evaluative reasoning is certainly one attribute often shown by 'many on PH' but not all.

Your ho-ho generalisation that "where Benn was right, he was right, where Benn was wrong, he was Left." exactly makes my point. Thank you for doing so; a good summary of prevalent NP&E PH sentiment.

[turbobloke]

longblackcoat said:

Your ho-ho generalisation that "where Benn was right, he was right, where Benn was wrong, he was Left." exactly makes my point. Thank you for doing so; a good summary of prevalent NP&E PH sentiment.

It does nothing of the kind, so your thanks aren't needed.

Such self-congratulatory reasoning by assertion isn't making your point and isn't exactly a powerful argument at any time.