The 'No to the EU' campaign

[v8250]

FiF said:

Ayahuasca said:

Reports over the last few days that the EU wants us to give up our UN Security Council permanent membership, so that they can have it.

What's European for 'You can fk right off"?

http://ukdataexplorer.com/6-translator/?word=you+can+fk+off
Childishly Amused by the translation into Dutch. Of course many of these are linguistically a bit off but hey, brightens up a wet Monday.

But somewhat sad for a PH'er as in Estonian it reads, 'Saab fk off...'

[Scuffers]

CMD fails again....


http://order-order.com/2015/12/03/reform-in-good-t...

[AJS-]

Hannan on good form

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8cBzAbIlOI&fe...

[steveT350C]

So Nissan, and even more recently JLR, http://newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com/en-in/jlr-corp... who are investing £450m in UK,

both investing despite the looming in/out referendum

[mph1977]

steveT350C said:

So Nissan, and even more recently JLR, http://newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com/en-in/jlr-corp... who are investing £450m in UK,

both investing despite the looming in/out referendum

JLR as a company who make premium vehicles aren't likely to be as worried as others ...

[steveT350C]

mph1977 said:

steveT350C said:

So Nissan, and even more recently JLR, http://newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com/en-in/jlr-corp... who are investing £450m in UK,

both investing despite the looming in/out referendum

JLR as a company who make premium vehicles aren't likely to be as worried as others ...

I would not consider Nissan to be premium...

[don4l]

AJS- said:

Hannan on good form

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8cBzAbIlOI&fe...

I can't listen to this at work, so I will watch it later.

[FiF]

Well it seems Donald Tusk has replied to Call Me Dave's letter setting out his demands for EU reform. You know, that letter where he didn't actually set out any demands but just wittered about four areas of interest. Well Tusk is just as bad, countering on about difficult and seeming to agree on things without actually saying he agrees.

Executive summary to the four "demands " : No, No, No and errrr No.

[v8250]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLF5FE21AE1F0CC...

Yet another reason to leave immediately.

[Esseesse]

Lords attempt to include 16 and 17 year olds in the vote has been defeated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35089543

[turbobloke]

Esseesse said:

Lords attempt to include 16 and 17 year olds in the vote has been defeated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35089543

Excellent news.

[v8250]

turbobloke said:

Esseesse said:

Lords attempt to include 16 and 17 year olds in the vote has been defeated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35089543

Excellent news.

It's bloody marvelous news. This means the EU Referendum could take place within 6-8mths...though CMD will be taking a significant risk if he announces the date too near to the next election.

As part of her Labour Lords defence, I noted that Lady Sally 'I've a nut lose' Morgan stated...

“Today’s 16- to 17-year-olds are the most informed in history, having undertaken citizenship classes at school and having information not at their fingertips but usually at their thumb tips with their constant tapping of their mobile phones.”

One has to ask on which planet does she live. The current generation of 16-25 year olds are the most politically disenfranchised of all time. One can imagine state school citizenship classes being taught by semi-literate junior level teachers extolling the virtues of the EU, the glorious underhand policy amendments treatised within the Lisbon Treaty and ongoing EU open border policy...and everything else to be learnt as open class on Facebook.

Edited by v8250 on Tuesday 15th December 00:11

[FiF]

The referendum cannot take place in 6-7 months, the earliest we can see a referendum is in Nov 2016, even that is unlikely. The basis for this is the Electoral Commission's recommendation, which essentially the Government can't ignore, which says that a minimum of ten months must elapse between the passing of the referendum bill and the vote itself.

Wonder what the effect of the Lord's vote will be on any Government retribution.

[Esseesse]

FiF said:

Wonder what the effect of the Lord's vote will be on any Government retribution.

How do you mean? It was a Labour ammendment (?), I presume that largely Conservative peers (and probably the remaining old ones) voted against it. I suspect secretly Cameron would have liked 16 year olds to be able to vote but to express that view would have been suicide.

You never know, we might end up getting chicaned into voting to leave. These things always seem to happen almost by accident.

[v8250]

FiF said:

The referendum cannot take place in 6-7 months, the earliest we can see a referendum is in Nov 2016, even that is unlikely. The basis for this is the Electoral Commission's recommendation, which essentially the Government can't ignore, which says that a minimum of ten months must elapse between the passing of the referendum bill and the vote itself.

Wonder what the effect of the Lord's vote will be on any Government retribution.

This is incorrect, the EC recommendation issued end of last month is six months post HoC/HoL vote, this is why I clearly stated 6-8 months. However, there is good sense for the Referendum to be held within the September to November period as it gives the EC their working timeframe and enough time between Brexit vote and the General Election in 2017. Here's the relevant excerpt from the EC report.

>>Timing
2.7 Many respondents also highlighted the importance of clarity as to the date of the poll and strongly supported the legislation providing for the referendum and specifying rules being clear at least six months before the date of the poll in order to enable COs to prepare for the referendum locally.
2.8 The CCO and the Commission will continue to stress to the UK Government the risks associated with the poll being called with less than six months’ notice and with the legislation not being clear six months in advance of it needing to be applied or complied with.<<

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-informa...

[v8250]

Esseesse said:

You never know, we might end up getting chicaned into voting to leave. These things always seem to happen almost by accident.

This won't happen. There will be significant pre-referendum campaigning and publicity for all. My only hope is that enough of the electorate will be engaged enough to not only vote, but to vote intelligently.

During the run-up to Brexit CMD will be proven to be the useless politician that he is...he will not return from any EU negotiation with any UK concessions, as always the Bruxelles-o-Fat-Cats simply laugh him out of the Chamber...the Referendum will take place as soon as is possible and Brexit will win the day. Then, we can start a progressive restructuring of the UK with the £££Bn's saved that are annually wasted upon the EU/EC gravy train. Have independence at our borders, have complete independence with our real trading partners...not just propping up the German economy, take back control of our national waters and fisheries...and above all, have total control of the UK's Sovereignty.

This is the opportunity of our generation...we have this immense responsibility for our children and our grandchildren, please peoples...be sure to do the right thing; Brexit.

Edited by v8250 on Tuesday 15th December 09:30

[FiF]

v8250 said:

FiF said:

The referendum cannot take place in 6-7 months, the earliest we can see a referendum is in Nov 2016, even that is unlikely. The basis for this is the Electoral Commission's recommendation, which essentially the Government can't ignore, which says that a minimum of ten months must elapse between the passing of the referendum bill and the vote itself.

Wonder what the effect of the Lord's vote will be on any Government retribution.

This is incorrect, the EC recommendation issued end of last month is six months post HoC/HoL vote, this is why I clearly stated 6-8 months. However, there is good sense for the Referendum to be held within the September to November period as it gives the EC their working timeframe and enough time between Brexit vote and the General Election in 2017. Here's the relevant excerpt from the EC report.

>>Timing
2.7 Many respondents also highlighted the importance of clarity as to the date of the poll and strongly supported the legislation providing for the referendum and specifying rules being clear at least six months before the date of the poll in order to enable COs to prepare for the referendum locally.
2.8 The CCO and the Commission will continue to stress to the UK Government the risks associated with the poll being called with less than six months’ notice and with the legislation not being clear six months in advance of it needing to be applied or complied with.<<

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-informa...

I'm interpreting that bit slightly differently, compliance with the legislation refers to more than the date of the election, the Commission's general briefing sets it out more clearly thus "at least six months before it is required to be implemented or complied with by campaigners, the CCO, Counting Officers or Electoral Registration Officers."

Their comments to the consultation are from a slightly different angle, and could be interpreted as them saying 6 months to date of poll is completely OK, when really they are flagging up concerns

[Esseesse]

v8250 said:

Esseesse said:

You never know, we might end up getting chicaned into voting to leave. These things always seem to happen almost by accident.

This won't happen. There will be significant pre-referendum campaigning and publicity for all. My only hope is that enough of the electorate will be engaged enough to not only vote, but to vote intelligently.

I don't mean that CMD will encourage us to leave, I should have said the government might be chicaned (by it's own incompetence?) into taking us out.

By this is mean it is the opinion held by many that CMD never intended to have to honour his in/out referendum, because he didn't expect to win the GE. Then he went and did win... oops. Then there are a series of hurdles that may skew the result towards stay, like votes for 16 year olds. This seems to have fairly narrowly been avoided. Before you know it CMD may have accidentally lead us out of the EU.

[markh1973]

v8250 said:

This is incorrect, the EC recommendation issued end of last month is six months post HoC/HoL vote, this is why I clearly stated 6-8 months. However, there is good sense for the Referendum to be held within the September to November period as it gives the EC their working timeframe and enough time between Brexit vote and the General Election in 2017. Here's the relevant excerpt from the EC report

Why would there be a General Election in 2017? Next one due in 2020.

[Bullett]

v8250 said:

This won't happen. There will be significant pre-referendum campaigning and publicity for all. My only hope is that enough of the electorate will be engaged enough to not only vote, but to vote intelligently.

During the run-up to Brexit CMD will be proven to be the useless politician that he is...he will not return from any EU negotiation with any UK concessions, as always the Bruxelles-o-Fat-Cats simply laugh him out of the Chamber...the Referendum will take place as soon as is possible and Brexit will win the day. Then, we can start a progressive restructuring of the UK with the £££Bn's saved that are annually wasted upon the EU/EC gravy train. Have independence at our borders, have complete independence with our real trading partners...not just propping up the German economy, take back control of our national waters and fisheries...and above all, have total control of the UK's Sovereignty.

This is the opportunity of our generation...we have this immense responsibility for our children and our grandchildren, please peoples...be sure to do the right thing; Brexit.

Can I put you down as an undecided?