The 'No to the EU' campaign

[mrpurple]

ChemicalChaos said:

I suspect this will be a much bigger blow to the IN campaign:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...


Eu to have control over all corporation tax rates? Foxtrot right Oscar with that one....

One could be forgiven for thinking they are actually trying to persuade the UK to leave the EU.

[irocfan]

mrpurple said:

ChemicalChaos said:

I suspect this will be a much bigger blow to the IN campaign:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...


Eu to have control over all corporation tax rates? Foxtrot right Oscar with that one....

One could be forgiven for thinking they are actually trying to persuade the UK to leave the EU.

well the baying mob will view that positively and another reason to vote 4 EU

[turbobloke]

mrpurple said:

ChemicalChaos said:

I suspect this will be a much bigger blow to the IN campaign:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...


Eu to have control over all corporation tax rates? Foxtrot right Oscar with that one....

One could be forgiven for thinking they are actually trying to persuade the UK to leave the EU.

You could also be forgiven for thinking that they think we will vote Out, so it doesn't matter what ever-closer-union steps and higher levels of control freakery they adopt as that's what they want, and CMD can be painted as a laughing stock with this all happening during his so-called renegotiations, but if we vote In then the ground is simultaneously being prepared for that eventuality also - in their manner of speaking since by voting In, this is what they can say we have voted for.

[mrpurple]

turbobloke said:

mrpurple said:

ChemicalChaos said:

I suspect this will be a much bigger blow to the IN campaign:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...


Eu to have control over all corporation tax rates? Foxtrot right Oscar with that one....

One could be forgiven for thinking they are actually trying to persuade the UK to leave the EU.

You could also be forgiven for thinking that they think we will vote Out, so it doesn't matter what ever-closer-union steps and higher levels of control freakery they adopt as that's what they want, and CMD can be painted as a laughing stock with this all happening during his so-called renegotiations, but if we vote In then the ground is simultaneously being prepared for that eventuality also - in their manner of speaking since by voting In, this is what they can say we have voted for.

eeeeek

[turbobloke]

mrpurple said:

turbobloke said:

mrpurple said:

ChemicalChaos said:

I suspect this will be a much bigger blow to the IN campaign:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

Eu to have control over all corporation tax rates? Foxtrot right Oscar with that one....

One could be forgiven for thinking they are actually trying to persuade the UK to leave the EU.

You could also be forgiven for thinking that they think we will vote Out, so it doesn't matter what ever-closer-union steps and higher levels of control freakery they adopt as that's what they want, and CMD can be painted as a laughing stock with this all happening during his so-called renegotiations, but if we vote In then the ground is simultaneously being prepared for that eventuality also - in their manner of speaking since by voting In, this is what they can say we have voted for.

eeeeek

It's a jolly prospect, is it not. We need to prove them right (so to speak) and vote Out. The stakes are reasonably high for The Project; other EU nations are watching.

The EU remains, of course, our dearest friend and ally wanting nothing but the best for us. On their terms.

[anonymous-user]

3 possibilities IMO.

The negotiations just started and this is a sacrificial policy.

Cameron begged them to give him a face saving policy to be seen to fight and win whilst conceding others.

They have realised that most people are too thick to figure out who actually pays corporation tax and are serious.

I'm not sure which is worse.

[BlackLabel]

Lord Lawson on Newsnight tonight said:

1 - very little will actually be 'renegotiated' however Cameron will spin this to say otherwise.
2 - the British people will vote to stay in because there is no one credible to lead the 'out' campaign.

[NicD]

He forget to mention the huge sums that have been and will be spent 'persuading' us of the 'benefits' of membership at any cost and exaggerating the effects of leaving.

[turbobloke]

The idea that people invariably vote for figureheads and therefore 'need' one is flawed as Lord Lawson should be aware so soon after Cameron was re-elected.

[TKF]

turbobloke said:

The idea that people invariably vote for figureheads and therefore 'need' one is flawed as Lord Lawson should be aware so soon after Cameron was re-elected.

So you don't think Milliband (and Balls) lost Labour votes?

Lawson is right and without a credible voice fronting the out campaign it'll just fizzle out. There are 4 distinct camps out there; In, Out, undecided, don't care.

The In and Out won't change their mind before the ref. The don't care won't care so it's the huge number of undecided that will decide it. What the Outs need is to pay Simon Cowell and he'd win it for them.

[Foppo]

Nigel Lawson is no mug.He knows how it works in Europe.

Cameron has no change of a treaty change.Agela Merkil tried this a few years ago regarding the banking crisis.She never got anywhere to many powerfull interest stopped her in her tracks.

[dandarez]

TKF said:

turbobloke said:

The idea that people invariably vote for figureheads and therefore 'need' one is flawed as Lord Lawson should be aware so soon after Cameron was re-elected.

So you don't think Milliband (and Balls) lost Labour votes?

Lawson is right and without a credible voice fronting the out campaign it'll just fizzle out. There are 4 distinct camps out there; In, Out, undecided, don't care.

The In and Out won't change their mind before the ref. The don't care won't care so it's the huge number of undecided that will decide it. What the Outs need is to pay Simon Cowell and he'd win it for them.

You're right. Miliband and Balls did lose Labour votes.

But not nearly as many as the headlines installing a 'fear' of the SNP controlling them. I even mentioned on here the night before the election about one of my Tory friends, who had converted to Kipper, who last minute changed back to CMD. Why? This 'fear'.

[AJS-]

Seems worth noting that Labour didn't actually lose votes. Their share of the popular vote increased more than that of the Tories. It was the distribution of the votes lost which caused Labour to lose seats and allowed the Tories to win. Whether Miliband and Balls are particularly unpalatable to Scots or the SNP actually won those votes is a matter of speculation.

[turbobloke]

dandarez said:

TKF said:

turbobloke said:

The idea that people invariably vote for figureheads and therefore 'need' one is flawed as Lord Lawson should be aware so soon after Cameron was re-elected.

So you don't think Milliband (and Balls) lost Labour votes?

Lawson is right and without a credible voice fronting the out campaign it'll just fizzle out. There are 4 distinct camps out there; In, Out, undecided, don't care.

The In and Out won't change their mind before the ref. The don't care won't care so it's the huge number of undecided that will decide it. What the Outs need is to pay Simon Cowell and he'd win it for them.

You're right. Miliband and Balls did lose Labour votes.

But not nearly as many as the headlines installing a 'fear' of the SNP controlling them. I even mentioned on here the night before the election about one of my Tory friends, who had converted to Kipper, who last minute changed back to CMD. Why? This 'fear'.

Fair enough, but the issues around Miliband and Balls chime with my point about CMD very nicely.

If people didn't vote for CMD because he's CMD, which they didn't, then it doesn't matter why they did vote for him - Cameron is clearly not some demigod figurehead but he got elected. Lord Lawson, please note.

Not having some silver-tongued estate agent lookandsoundalike in a shiny suit at the head of the Out vote campaign is no loss. Nobody wants yet another PR fluffer with a PPE licence to spin.

[s2art]

Its about time Dan Hannan puts his money where his mouth is. A 'good cop, bad cop' with Hannan and Farage respectively would work well.

[TKF]

s2art said:

Its about time Dan Hannan puts his money where his mouth is. A 'good cop, bad cop' with Hannan and Farage respectively would work well.

Which one is which?

[turbobloke]

TKF said:

s2art said:

Its about time Dan Hannan puts his money where his mouth is. A 'good cop, bad cop' with Hannan and Farage respectively would work well.

Which one is which?

Easy

It was trickier with Bliar and Presclot.

[s2art]

turbobloke said:

TKF said:

s2art said:

Its about time Dan Hannan puts his money where his mouth is. A 'good cop, bad cop' with Hannan and Farage respectively would work well.

Which one is which?

Easy

It was trickier with Bliar and Presclot.

Damn it. Forgot Rees-mogg! Good cop, bad cop, posh cop?

[BlackLabel]

I wonder what position the Unions take on this. You don't hear much about the No2EU — Yes to Democracy campaign anymore. I guess it died with Bob Crow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8059281.stm

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/...

[turbobloke]

Possibly O/T as this refers to the 'Yes to The EU' campaign...rumour has it that CMD has somehow sidestepped a rule on campaign spending and along with the EU is planning to spend megabucks on promoting the In vote. Any info out there?