The 'No to the EU' campaign
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Well, turbo, there we go.
If accurate, it should be a clear pointer for the PM's putting Britain First campaign during the GE being false and a further demonstration of what he has been up to recently whilst abroad.
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If accurate, it should be a clear pointer for the PM's putting Britain First campaign during the GE being false and a further demonstration of what he has been up to recently whilst abroad.
Oh lookie editing notifications straight on this thread...
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 6th June 23:22
Dr Richard Norths EU Referendum blog has out up a page with answers to 13 commonly told lies which are designed to spread FUD about leaving the EU..
http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
steveatesh said:
Dr Richard Norths EU Referendum blog has out up a page with answers to 13 commonly told lies which are designed to spread FUD about leaving the EU..
http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
Definitely worth a look. http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
steveatesh said:
Dr Richard Norths EU Referendum blog has out up a page with answers to 13 commonly told lies which are designed to spread FUD about leaving the EU..
http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
Just read it, but not that impressed sadly. We need better than that.http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
NicD said:
steveatesh said:
Dr Richard Norths EU Referendum blog has out up a page with answers to 13 commonly told lies which are designed to spread FUD about leaving the EU..
http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
Just read it, but not that impressed sadly. We need better than that.http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/europhi...
Plus a good graphic which shows the various institutions in Europe, most of which seem to be regularly conflated with the EU.
Worth a look.
NicD said:
Just read it, but not that impressed sadly. We need better than that.
If you put it the context as a simple aide memoir designed to put right the frequent lies being told by politicians and the media I personally see it as very useful. This of course just being one jigsaw piece rather than a strategy. However, I'm sure Dr North, who must be one the top experts in the field of everything EU will be glad of your advice.
Owen Patterson, unveils the jiggery pokery by CMD and the EU
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3113976/...
If the vote is not free and fair and carried out under the normal conditions, it will resolve nothing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3113976/...
If the vote is not free and fair and carried out under the normal conditions, it will resolve nothing.
steveatesh said:
NicD said:
Just read it, but not that impressed sadly. We need better than that.
If you put it the context as a simple aide memoir designed to put right the frequent lies being told by politicians and the media I personally see it as very useful. This of course just being one jigsaw piece rather than a strategy. However, I'm sure Dr North, who must be one the top experts in the field of everything EU will be glad of your advice.
Look at his last 'answer' which is to an apparently different question:
13. Research funding
The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies
This is what is known as a bare faced lie. Israel and Switzerland are global leaders in scientific innovation. They are not in the EU.
Labour eurosceptics want Kate Hoey to Lead the Brexit Campaign.
article said:
Kate Hoey, the former Home Office minister under Tony Blair who is one of the most prominent Eurosceptics in the Labour party, is being lined up as a possible leader of the no campaign in the referendum on Britain’s EU membership.
A leading Labour donor who is expected to bankroll the “Brexit” side described Hoey, the MP for Vauxhall, as a “tough fighter” who would appeal across the political spectrum.
John Mills, who was the national director of the no campaign in the 1975 EEC referendum, said: “I think she is a very strong, feisty figure. She is respected, she is liked. She knows her own mind, she is a tough fighter, she has been around for a long while. She is a reliable cogent figure. These are very important qualities that you need in somebody who is going to lead a campaign like this.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/26/eu-referendum-kate-hoey-gets-backing-to-head-no-campaignA leading Labour donor who is expected to bankroll the “Brexit” side described Hoey, the MP for Vauxhall, as a “tough fighter” who would appeal across the political spectrum.
John Mills, who was the national director of the no campaign in the 1975 EEC referendum, said: “I think she is a very strong, feisty figure. She is respected, she is liked. She knows her own mind, she is a tough fighter, she has been around for a long while. She is a reliable cogent figure. These are very important qualities that you need in somebody who is going to lead a campaign like this.”
"David Cameron has told his ministers that they will have to resign if they want to campaign and vote for Britain to leave the European Union.
ADVERTISING
Risking a major confrontation with members of his Cabinet, Mr Cameron made his strongest comments yet on the subject, and raised the prospect of resignations by a number of Eurosceptic ministers before the vote, which could be held as soon as next year."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
ADVERTISING
Risking a major confrontation with members of his Cabinet, Mr Cameron made his strongest comments yet on the subject, and raised the prospect of resignations by a number of Eurosceptic ministers before the vote, which could be held as soon as next year."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
BlackLabel said:
"David Cameron has told his ministers that they will have to resign if they want to campaign and vote for Britain to leave the European Union.
ADVERTISING
Risking a major confrontation with members of his Cabinet, Mr Cameron made his strongest comments yet on the subject, and raised the prospect of resignations by a number of Eurosceptic ministers before the vote, which could be held as soon as next year."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
Hardly news that Cameron is an utter ADVERTISING
Risking a major confrontation with members of his Cabinet, Mr Cameron made his strongest comments yet on the subject, and raised the prospect of resignations by a number of Eurosceptic ministers before the vote, which could be held as soon as next year."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
though, is it?Einion Yrth said:
BlackLabel said:
"David Cameron has told his ministers that they will have to resign if they want to campaign and vote for Britain to leave the European Union.
ADVERTISING
Risking a major confrontation with members of his Cabinet, Mr Cameron made his strongest comments yet on the subject, and raised the prospect of resignations by a number of Eurosceptic ministers before the vote, which could be held as soon as next year."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
Hardly news that Cameron is an utter ADVERTISING
Risking a major confrontation with members of his Cabinet, Mr Cameron made his strongest comments yet on the subject, and raised the prospect of resignations by a number of Eurosceptic ministers before the vote, which could be held as soon as next year."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
though, is it?Guam said:
Speculation in the news today that he will hold it in conjunction with other elections
That will mean using the LA voting lists
Which will stack the numbers with a couple of million eu citizens
I trust the Tory supporters are rightly proud of how despicable this cretin is!
They/we already knew that, as pointed out by myself repeatedly and EY most recently.That will mean using the LA voting lists
Which will stack the numbers with a couple of million eu citizens
I trust the Tory supporters are rightly proud of how despicable this cretin is!
That's not a comment on whatever way EY may have voted, just me.
Unfortunately I think it was inevitable that there would be shenanigans on this. The voting reform referendum was similar IMO (presented to improve the chances of a specific outcome).
What safeguards are there to prevent it? A referendum should be non-political. A decision has been taken to let the people decide directly, so let them do so.
There should be no public money allocated to campaigns, and I suspect having no MPs involved in campaigning would be wise too.
If the "no" campaign did have a leader, Cameron's gagging order would be solid gold.
What safeguards are there to prevent it? A referendum should be non-political. A decision has been taken to let the people decide directly, so let them do so.
There should be no public money allocated to campaigns, and I suspect having no MPs involved in campaigning would be wise too.
If the "no" campaign did have a leader, Cameron's gagging order would be solid gold.
Murph7355 said:
Unfortunately I think it was inevitable that there would be shenanigans on this. The voting reform referendum was similar IMO (presented to improve the chances of a specific outcome).
What safeguards are there to prevent it? A referendum should be non-political. A decision has been taken to let the people decide directly, so let them do so.
There should be no public money allocated to campaigns, and I suspect having no MPs involved in campaigning would be wise too.
If the "no" campaign did have a leader, Cameron's gagging order would be solid gold.
How could you have a non-political referendum?What safeguards are there to prevent it? A referendum should be non-political. A decision has been taken to let the people decide directly, so let them do so.
There should be no public money allocated to campaigns, and I suspect having no MPs involved in campaigning would be wise too.
If the "no" campaign did have a leader, Cameron's gagging order would be solid gold.
I also don't think it's practical or desirable to stop MPs or ministers having an opinion on the issue. Restraining them from expressing it would simply lead to more subtle forms of it and a great game of second guessing it. Agree with you about spending public money on them. No reason why either side should do this.
Referendums are an appropriate tool for major constitutional decisions which are beyond the scope of the broad based manifesto parties campaign on in general elections.
This yet again shows what a big con the whole renegotiation drama is. On one hand CMD claims that we will negotiate a vastly different deal and present it to the British public yet before any new deal has materialised the government have already decided which side of the fence they'll be on.
Merkel must find this hilarious.
Dave to Merkel: "We want a new deal with the EU or else."
Merkel: "Or else what?"
Dave: "Ermm or else the British government will still campaign to stay in Europe regardless of any new deal and things will carry on as they are".
There is nothing wrong with being staunchly pro EU if that is how you genuinely feel however at least be honest about it and stop pretending otherwise.
Merkel must find this hilarious.
Dave to Merkel: "We want a new deal with the EU or else."
Merkel: "Or else what?"
Dave: "Ermm or else the British government will still campaign to stay in Europe regardless of any new deal and things will carry on as they are".
There is nothing wrong with being staunchly pro EU if that is how you genuinely feel however at least be honest about it and stop pretending otherwise.
Guam said:
Speculation in the news today that he will hold it in conjunction with other elections
That will mean using the LA voting lists
Which will stack the numbers with a couple of million eu citizens
I trust the Tory supporters are rightly proud of how despicable this cretin is!
In the EU Referendum Bill it's been made very clear the vote will not be extended to under 18's, EU citizens resident in UK or British citizens living abroad for more than 15yrs. Roughly a quarter of the 5m ex-pats live in Europe so you'd expect them to be firmly in the Yes camp.That will mean using the LA voting lists
Which will stack the numbers with a couple of million eu citizens
I trust the Tory supporters are rightly proud of how despicable this cretin is!
Excluding those EU ex-pats and the 1m or so UK resident EU citizens doesn't sound particularly despicable to me.
BlackLabel said:
This yet again shows what a big con the whole renegotiation drama is. On one hand CMD claims that we will negotiate a vastly different deal and present it to the British public yet before any new deal has materialised the government have already decided which side of the fence they'll be on.
Merkel must find this hilarious.
Dave to Merkel: "We want a new deal with the EU or else."
Merkel: "Or else what?"
Dave: "Ermm or else the British government will still campaign to stay in Europe regardless of any new deal and things will carry on as they are".
It's priceless comedy gold from Our Dave.Merkel must find this hilarious.
Dave to Merkel: "We want a new deal with the EU or else."
Merkel: "Or else what?"
Dave: "Ermm or else the British government will still campaign to stay in Europe regardless of any new deal and things will carry on as they are".
This could well be the combination of an Oxford PPE and political ambition at work. Any vestige of common sense and a viewpoint based on reality disappear when they move to planet zorg.
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