The 'No to the EU' campaign

[Scuffers]

Daily Politics on now is fully loaded with Europhiles!

even when Andrew Neil points out how worthless the 'Red Card' is the europhiles say completely the opposite!

[BMRuss]

I can't help but love this bloke, go Nige!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjlkqSPGmGk

[FiF]

Pete North in full flow, and you know what, right by his shoulder on this.

The Death of the Conservative Party

Including the following.

Pete North said:

If asked a year ago who you thought would succeed Ed Miliband, Jeremy Corbyn would not have been in your top ten selections. You'd have chosen a nice safe list of plastic moderates. The Labour party is so hollowed out of substance and grassroots support that it didn't take very much for a determined minority to take it over in entirety. While the Tory party works on different rules, there are ways and means of wrecking it.

And if you are thinking this is a threat, it's not. It's just my best prediction. In no way do I think a referendum will settle the EU issue and the thirst for political change will not vanish just because Mr Cameron manages to manipulate a referendum win.

I also know that while I take a largely different approach to Ukip and I detest their incompetence and the racism within, I share their burning anger and contempt for the Westminster elites who so casually and cynically spit at us, manipulating the ignorance of the disengaged to advance their agenda. I won't go away and nor will they.

Nor will I Pete, nor will I.

[v8250]

Having watched today's PMQT I get so angrily tired at the bullstting diatribe from CMD...Boris looked far from pleased at CMD failing to, in any way, answer his question.

For some honest straight forward talking...this for your political entertainment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjlkqSPGmGk

Start at 1m50s..."Rocket boosters by Chancellor Merkel!", "CMD finally got to speak at 1a.m., for a total of seven minutes, during which M. Hollande got up to go for a pee...!" Farage is such a colourful orator he deserves to be P.M.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Tc6eCpA6o

[FiF]

Excuse the swearing, but I'm fking annoyed as hell.

UKIP you tts. With that hate filled 5 minute broadcast about 15 million Turks on the way you've probably converted several hundred thousand undecideds into voting for Remain.

[Scuffers]

FiF said:

Excuse the swearing, but I'm fking annoyed as hell.

UKIP you tts. With that hate filled 5 minute broadcast about 15 million Turks on the way you've probably converted several hundred thousand undecideds into voting for Remain.

What? Where?

Anything to do with this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Edited by Scuffers on Wednesday 3rd February 20:07

[alfie2244]

Scuffers said:

FiF said:

Excuse the swearing, but I'm fking annoyed as hell.

UKIP you tts. With that hate filled 5 minute broadcast about 15 million Turks on the way you've probably converted several hundred thousand undecideds into voting for Remain.

What? Where?

This?

what on earth are they thinking of?

I am speechless and await the negative comments this pathetic broadcast deserves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yno5lHA-LY8

[FiF]

Yes that youtube link is it. Also on I player etc etc. What the juddering shagging hell were the mouth breathers thinking, what do they use to keep their bloody ears apart?

Have been saying for some months that UKIP would be a bloody liability to the referendum campaign, and there they are, straight out of the blocks. Give me strength, not a mention of any other issues.

[Scuffers]

really?

sure it can't be over that video? Hardly a Oscar winning video it's hardly horrendous

[don4l]

cloggy said:

Any Irish (travelers) can vote and many Pakistanis, why cant I ?

Wow!

[Esseesse]

The video isn't that bad. If anything it's a bit boring. TBH the biggest liability (regardless of content) about it is that it says UKIP at the end.

[handpaper]

FiF said:

Excuse the swearing, but I'm fking annoyed as hell.

UKIP you tts. With that hate filled 5 minute broadcast about 15 million Turks on the way you've probably converted several hundred thousand undecideds into voting for Remain.

I think the producers of that video are trying to emphasise that the EU is a process, that a vote to stay in is not a vote for the status quo, but a vote to be part of whatever the EU may become.
And every word of it is true - Turkey has become less secular, less democratic and more authoritarian during Erdogan's presidency.
It will be interesting to see what kind response it gets elsewhere.

[AJS-]

Don't see what's so bad about that video myself?

[Langweilig]

FiF said:

Excuse the swearing, but I'm fking annoyed as hell.

UKIP you tts. With that hate filled 5 minute broadcast about 15 million Turks on the way you've probably converted several hundred thousand undecideds into voting for Remain.

Do you think that's bad? There was a report in the Daily Express recently. They're worried that 1 million unemployed Bosnians are heading to the UK after Bosnia has joined the EU.

[PRTVR]

handpaper said:

FiF said:

Excuse the swearing, but I'm fking annoyed as hell.

UKIP you tts. With that hate filled 5 minute broadcast about 15 million Turks on the way you've probably converted several hundred thousand undecideds into voting for Remain.

I think the producers of that video are trying to emphasise that the EU is a process, that a vote to stay in is not a vote for the status quo, but a vote to be part of whatever the EU may become.
And every word of it is true - Turkey has become less secular, less democratic and more authoritarian during Erdogan's presidency.
It will be interesting to see what kind response it gets elsewhere.

I agree, FIF I understand your feelings, but talking to a few friend who were undecided their main concern was immigration, how can you get them on side if you do not raise the topic ?

[davepoth]

PRTVR said:

I agree, FIF I understand your feelings, but talking to a few friend who were undecided their main concern was immigration, how can you get them on side if you do not raise the topic ?

It's really unfortunate that some people on the left have been so effective at linking any wish to limit immigration in any way to being racist.

What really pisses me off right now is that because EU immigration is completely unlimited, the only thing we can do to slow immigration is to severely limit it from other countries.

What I would like is for everyone, regardless of race or nationality, to be able to walk into any UK embassy anywhere in the world, ask for the papers, and be assured that they have an equal chance of getting to live and work here if they're the best of the best.

[Beati Dogu]

So when is the referendum going to happen? They're taking about late June, but then it and the accompanying Project Fear propaganda campaign will overshadow the regional government & London mayoral elections in May.

If he waits until later in the year, he'll have another summer of invading third world hordes and dead Merkel-babies floating around the seas.

It can't be easy being as spineless as CMD.

[Trif]

Beati Dogu said:

If he waits until later in the year, he'll have another summer of invading third world hordes and dead Merkel-babies floating around the seas.

A out vote doesn't kick us out of the club instantly, a 2 year timetable would be likely.

[FiF]

I'm sure that the UKIP video is factually accurate, if it's not then they do want shooting. My objection is that we saw a huge reaction in the GE because of the immigration / alleged racist arguments, which led to a huge anyone but UKIP sector, which led to a situation where regardless of subject matter a reaction of must be wrong just because UKIP. We saw it on here, tribalism at its worst.

By being first out of the blocks with that subject matter UKIP threaten to taint in many eyes the whole Leave campaign. People would be wrong to do that, of course, but people being a bit shallow and reluctant to engage with really complicated and, let's be honest, tedious issues, many will never get beyond it.

Of course some will just lap it up, but suspect they would be voting for leave anyway.

That in essence is why I'm so angry, the campaign is imo at risk of being lost before it's started.

[Mr GrimNasty]

alfie2244 said:

This?

what on earth are they thinking of?

I am speechless and await the negative comments this pathetic broadcast deserves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yno5lHA-LY8

Pathetic? For telling a few obvious truths.

I hope a lot of people study it very carefully and take the facts on board.