The 'No to the EU' campaign

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zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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robinessex said:
When we leave, can we have street parties !!
Of course! These would be funded by our newly independent government. The public purse will be overflowing, so Brexit will also mean at least a 50% cut in your tax bill & a 4 day working week, too! spin

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

242 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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zygalski said:
...& a 4 day working week, too!
Just like the early-70s.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
Cameron is a traitor or stupid , despite his and labours best efforts we still have a army,navy and a sea border, with passport control etc, what a he is, so fear mongering over the economy fails because as many or more business leaders say we would be fine outside the EU than the pro eu lot so the turd of downing street starts over again with we won't be able to control our borders...idiot...

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
Sounds like a load of fear-mongering bks, more like. As does the rest of the "In" campaign.

PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
And if we stay in the EU plan for the migrant crisis is to distribute them throughout the EU, that means the UK, so we have a idea with no basis in fact against a plan that is true, as I said before do we want to be part of a union that is vindictive towards its neighours ?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
total bks.

assuming our own government does not fold, we simply do not allow them to come to the UK, and any operator that shipps one here has to remove them back to where they came from - ie. the same that's dome at airports etc.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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grumbledoak said:
zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
Sounds like a load of fear-mongering bks, more like. As does the rest of the "In" campaign.
You have a point. Not like the 'out' campaign ever resort to scaremongering. You got me bang to rights there.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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zygalski said:
You have a point. Not like the 'out' campaign ever resort to scaremongering. You got me bang to rights there.
examples?

and before you do, just remember what was said by UKIP about Romanian and Bulgarians ahead of the 2015 GE?

was that scaremongering too like everybody said or did it actually happen?

or would you cite the health tourism that Farage brought up? than even the BMA and consultants are all crying about now (although they flatly denied it 12 months ago).

hell, why not just watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV-bQVBHPIc




JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Scuffers said:
total bks.

assuming our own government does not fold, we simply do not allow them to come to the UK, and any operator that shipps one here has to remove them back to where they came from - ie. the same that's dome at airports etc.
If that is the best Cameron can come up with the in campaign must either be desperate or relying on the gullibility of voters.

Those of us who have travelled to any destination that requires a VISA are well aware that your entitlement to enter the destination is checked UK side.

and quite why we are supposed to have "Migrant camps" in south-east England when they will be quite entitled to be housed at public expense is also a mystery.


Crush

15,077 posts

168 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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So if we leave the EU our borders will be even more porous because the French won't control their side, and other member states will refuse to warn us if there's an imminent terror attack in the UK.

Sounds a nice group to be a member of hehe

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Crush said:
So if we leave the EU our borders will be even more porous because the French won't control their side, and other member states will refuse to warn us if there's an imminent terror attack in the UK.

Sounds a nice group to be a member of hehe
Such a friendly and supportive bunch. The thing is, for years the French virtually handed out route maps to the south of England, so what's new anyway? As to terror attacks, GCHQ and NSA tell the French and others what's going on more often than not.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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turbobloke said:
Crush said:
So if we leave the EU our borders will be even more porous because the French won't control their side, and other member states will refuse to warn us if there's an imminent terror attack in the UK.

Sounds a nice group to be a member of hehe
Such a friendly and supportive bunch. The thing is, for years the French virtually handed out route maps to the south of England, so what's new anyway? As to terror attacks, GCHQ and NSA tell the French and others what's going on more often than not.
Yeah, the French have great record of preempting terrorist attacks, don't they?

Richyboy

3,739 posts

216 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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So we get the boarders back then we re-open them for people escaping war and suffering in France.

Mrr T

12,152 posts

264 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Scuffers said:
zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
total bks.

assuming our own government does not fold, we simply do not allow them to come to the UK, and any operator that shipps one here has to remove them back to where they came from - ie. the same that's dome at airports etc.
Scuffers I some times wonder do you believe if you say something often enough it will become true.

So you are correct you can fine the ferry company and make them take the person back.

HOWEVER, if the person claims refugee status they are on UK sovereign territory so under our treaty obligations they can stay while there case is assessed.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Let's not forget most of the posts in this thread come from cloud cuckoo types who all thought UKIP would at minimum hold the balance of power after the election...

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
total bks.

assuming our own government does not fold, we simply do not allow them to come to the UK, and any operator that shipps one here has to remove them back to where they came from - ie. the same that's dome at airports etc.
Scuffers I some times wonder do you believe if you say something often enough it will become true.
Personally I don't see that in Scuffers' posts, I see it more in the baseless scaremongeing from In supporters which has never been credible and won't be made so via repetition.

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Mrr T said:
So you are correct you can fine the ferry company and make them take the person back.

HOWEVER, if the person claims refugee status they are on UK sovereign territory so under our treaty obligations they can stay while there case is assessed.
You are quite correct that the person can claim refugee status and whether accepted or not will likely not be deported (throughout the EU only 40% of failed asylum seekers are deported)

The point is that even without UK border guards present in France if the Ferry company is receiving a fine for each one it brings across it would be good business practice to have its own checks.


PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
zygalski said:
EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....
total bks.

assuming our own government does not fold, we simply do not allow them to come to the UK, and any operator that shipps one here has to remove them back to where they came from - ie. the same that's dome at airports etc.
Scuffers I some times wonder do you believe if you say something often enough it will become true.

So you are correct you can fine the ferry company and make them take the person back.

HOWEVER, if the person claims refugee status they are on UK sovereign territory so under our treaty obligations they can stay while there case is assessed.
The big problem is the laws regarding migrants/ asylum seekers is not fit for purpose, do you honestly believe that the people at the camps in France are in fear of their life ? If not there should be no problem returning them as they are economic migrants, if it was me I would set a limit on the distance from a war zone you can apply for asylum, the original idea was to keep them safe till it was safe enough to return, better done near their home country, now it is abused to gain entry into counties that they would not normally be allowed into.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Mrr T said:
Scuffers I some times wonder do you believe if you say something often enough it will become true.

So you are correct you can fine the ferry company and make them take the person back.

HOWEVER, if the person claims refugee status they are on UK sovereign territory so under our treaty obligations they can stay while there case is assessed.
So,.please explain why it would be any different to airports?


Once we make.it clear.that the carrier becomes financially responsible for this, they simply will not bring them here in the first place.

All this crap about them dumping passports and Id paperwork would mean they simply cannot board a ferry/train/etc.

Yes I am some will arrive and claim asylum, and some may well be genuine, but nothing like the hordes in the jungle.

It's all about having the will to enforce our borders and laws.

Do you see the Russians having these problem?

You only have to look at Australia to see how to do it.
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