The 'No to the EU' campaign

[Mrr T]

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

Scuffers said:

we do the same Aus did, you pick them up, sink their boats,

You do understand that's not what Australia does???

Yes, they DID, now that it;s calmed down, they use off-shore processing centres.

Mrr T said:

Scuffers said:

take them back to the country they embarked from.

So the Royal Nave should illegally breach international law by entering the waters and territory of foreign Governments to drop off irregular migrants who may or may not come from their!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so? what are the French going to do? launch their navy to intercept ours? really? like they stop our ferries from docking do they?

Mrr T said:

Scuffers said:

back this up with a proper information campaign world wide that we simply will not allow people to illegally enter the UK, job done.

No mention of the UN treaty? You may remember UKIP praised it in last years manifesto.

what UN treaty are you trying to refer to?

Please, spell out exactly which treaty this is in violation of?

Me calm down? I am perfectly calm.

I can see nothing to suggest the the Australia's have ever attempted to directly send irregular immigrants to the country they came from. The do use off shore processing centres and do offer money for them to leave.

So you are really suggesting we invade France!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the treaty try the UN convention on refuges and protocol. You should know about its it an essential party of UKIP policy.

[Scuffers]

Mrr T said:

Me calm down? I am perfectly calm.

I can see nothing to suggest the the Australia's have ever attempted to directly send irregular immigrants to the country they came from. The do use off shore processing centres and do offer money for them to leave.

I never said for you to calm down, I said when the Aus boat situation calmed down they went to offshore processing.

before this, they returned them to indonesia.

Look it up.

[PRTVR]

Mrr T said:

PRTVR said:

Mrr T said:

Scuffers said:

zygalski said:

EU referendum: PM warns Brexit could bring the 'Jungle' to the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Kind of makes sense, if we exit & then French tell our authorities to fk off from Calais & other crossing points.
I should imagine we'd be able to fly them all straight back from whence they've came, what with all the savings from leaving the EU. Gotta find some way to spend the mountains of cash....

total bks.

assuming our own government does not fold, we simply do not allow them to come to the UK, and any operator that shipps one here has to remove them back to where they came from - ie. the same that's dome at airports etc.

Scuffers I some times wonder do you believe if you say something often enough it will become true.

So you are correct you can fine the ferry company and make them take the person back.

HOWEVER, if the person claims refugee status they are on UK sovereign territory so under our treaty obligations they can stay while there case is assessed.

The big problem is the laws regarding migrants/ asylum seekers is not fit for purpose, do you honestly believe that the people at the camps in France are in fear of their life ? If not there should be no problem returning them as they are economic migrants, if it was me I would set a limit on the distance from a war zone you can apply for asylum, the original idea was to keep them safe till it was safe enough to return, better done near their home country, now it is abused to gain entry into counties that they would not normally be allowed into.

I cannot disagree but is there the political will to change it? UKIP is big supporter of the treaty, check last years election manifesto.

I think there is the will to change, a year ago I would have said no, but now peoples attitudes are changing.

[Norfolkit]

Scuffers said:

So,.please explain why it would be any different to airports?


Once we make.it clear.that the carrier becomes financially responsible for this, they simply will not bring them here in the first place.

All this crap about them dumping passports and Id paperwork would mean they simply cannot board a ferry/train/etc.

Yes I am some will arrive and claim asylum, and some may well be genuine, but nothing like the hordes in the jungle.

It's all about having the will to enforce our borders and laws.

Do you see the Russians having these problem?

You only have to look at Australia to see how to do it.

Exactly, our daughter lives in Australia, we travel out there a couple of times a year, our entry status to Oz is checked at Heathrow by the airline not in Brisbane.

[AJS-]

So more fence sitting from Boris Johnson. The higher up the political laddrer he has gone the less impressive he has become.

[Scuffers]

AJS- said:

So more fence sitting from Boris Johnson. The higher up the political laddrer he has gone the less impressive he has become.

totally

he's not going to declare until the outcome is guaranteed, he's only interested in the leadership, not what's right.

[turbobloke]

Just heard that Martin Durkin is producing a feature length Brexit documentary from the Out perspective, given the number of establishment nerves hit by his TGGWS effort this should be a corker.

[Scuffers]

Oh dear...

http://order-order.com/2016/02/08/french-governmen...

Bernard Cazeneuve (French foreign minister) said:

“Calling for the border with the English to be opened is not a responsible solution. It would send a signal to people smugglers and would lead migrants to flow to Calais in far greater numbers. A humanitarian disaster would ensue. It is a foolhardy path, and one the government will not pursue. On the contrary, we’re going to make the border even more watertight to dissuade smugglers and migrants, respect international rules and reduce the pressure on Calais.”

[steveT350C]

turbobloke said:

Just heard that Martin Durkin is producing a feature length Brexit documentary from the Out perspective, given the number of establishment nerves hit by his TGGWS effort this should be a corker.

marvellous!

[Elroy Blue]

The mad, despotic Turkish President is at it again. Erdogan threatens EU: "We can open the doors to Greece and Bulgaria anytime and we can put the refugees on buses."

We should leave them to it.

[Scuffers]

Elroy Blue said:

The mad, despotic Turkish President is at it again. Erdogan threatens EU: "We can open the doors to Greece and Bulgaria anytime and we can put the refugees on buses."

We should leave them to it.

that's code for "give me another 3Bn Euro's NOW"

[Mrr T]

PRTVR said:

Mrr T said:

I cannot disagree but is there the political will to change it? UKIP is big supporter of the treaty, check last years election manifesto.

I think there is the will to change, a year ago I would have said no, but now peoples attitudes are changing.

I am not sure I agree. The BBC never mentions the reason for the refugee crisis. Most people seem to think its all to do with the EU, where as its almost nothing to do with the EU.

We do not need to renounce the whole agreement just the 1967 protocol. Politically it would not be easy but at the same time we could commit to provide funding for refugees outside the UK. Now that would be a good use of the foreign aid budget.

[Scuffers]

Mrr T said:

I am not sure I agree. The BBC never mentions the reason for the refugee crisis. Most people seem to think its all to do with the EU, where as its almost nothing to do with the EU.

We do not need to renounce the whole agreement just the 1967 protocol. Politically it would not be easy but at the same time we could commit to provide funding for refugees outside the UK. Now that would be a good use of the foreign aid budget.

if you were talking about genuine refugee's, then you might have a point, but a all the international aid agencies have already said, NONE of the Jungle residents are refugee's, they are migrants, and the EU is 100% responsible for them being there.

[Langweilig]

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

I am not sure I agree. The BBC never mentions the reason for the refugee crisis. Most people seem to think its all to do with the EU, where as its almost nothing to do with the EU.

We do not need to renounce the whole agreement just the 1967 protocol. Politically it would not be easy but at the same time we could commit to provide funding for refugees outside the UK. Now that would be a good use of the foreign aid budget.

if you were talking about genuine refugee's, then you might have a point, but a all the international aid agencies have already said, NONE of the Jungle residents are refugee's, they are migrants, and the EU is 100% responsible for them being there.

You know that. I know that. But if you try and tell Clare Moseley at Care4Calais that, either she or one of her pet lefties will say that's racist nonsense.

[Ayahuasca]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Cameron saying that in the event of Brexit, the Calais refugees will end up in the UK.

Er, no.

[turbobloke]

Ayahuasca said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Cameron saying that in the event of Brexit, the Calais refugees will end up in the UK.

Er, no.

CMD was a toad now he's a bigger toad.

He may be the toad with the least worst pond but he's still a bigger toad.

[Ayahuasca]

turbobloke said:

Ayahuasca said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Cameron saying that in the event of Brexit, the Calais refugees will end up in the UK.

Er, no.

CMD was a toad now he's a bigger toad.

He may be the toad with the least worst pond but he's still a bigger toad.

I am beginning to think so to. The other toad seems to be Boris Johnson.

I think the Torys will lose a lot of their previously loyal supporters over this issue.

[Zod]

Ayahuasca said:

I am beginning to think so to. The other toad seems to be Boris Johnson.

I think the Torys will lose a lot of their previously loyal supporters over this issue.

To UKIP, Labour, the LibDems, the Greens?

[Esseesse]

Ayahuasca said:

turbobloke said:

Ayahuasca said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Cameron saying that in the event of Brexit, the Calais refugees will end up in the UK.

Er, no.

CMD was a toad now he's a bigger toad.

He may be the toad with the least worst pond but he's still a bigger toad.

I am beginning to think so to. The other toad seems to be Boris Johnson.

I think the Torys will lose a lot of their previously loyal supporters over this issue.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/the-deat...

[BlackLabel]

Cameron has promised a new law to assert the sovereignty of our parliament in relation to the EU.

However, it seems this is just more smoke and mirrors because what he is proposing would be in breach of our treaties with the EU.

bbc said:

Dominic Grieve says primacy in interpretation of European law is given to the Court of Justice in Luxembourg and "it's difficult to see how any piece of legislation can alter that without us being in breach of the treaties".

"At the end of the day the buck stops somewhere. And the treaty of accession, and our own legislation, makes quite clear that it is the Court in Luxembourg which has the last word," said the former attorney general.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35536288

Cameron's strategy in all of this appears to be tell enough lies and keep repeating it until enough people fall for it.