The 'No to the EU' campaign
Discussion
TKF said:
Roughly a quarter of the 5m ex-pats live in Europe so you'd expect them to be firmly in the Yes camp.
why?assuming your figure of 5M is correct (and I question that), how many of them will it actually make a difference to?
if we leave, Spain is really not going to forcibly repatriate all the retired brits from their shores, on a simplistic level, they can't afford to loose the income.
as for the working ex-pats, I fail to see how it will make a significant change, most of the UK working ex-pats are in highly skilled roles that are hard to fill, hence why there are ex-pats there in the first place.
no company is going to give up on employing them without a fight, and as every country will already have policies to deal with this, I really don't see it's such a big issue.
Let me put it this way, the day we pull out, there will not be 5M people heading back to the UK.
BlackLabel said:
This yet again shows what a big con the whole renegotiation drama is. On one hand CMD claims that we will negotiate a vastly different deal and present it to the British public yet before any new deal has materialised the government have already decided which side of the fence they'll be on.
Merkel must find this hilarious.
Dave to Merkel: "We want a new deal with the EU or else."
Merkel: "Or else what?"
Dave: "Ermm or else the British government will still campaign to stay in Europe regardless of any new deal and things will carry on as they are".
There is nothing wrong with being staunchly pro EU if that is how you genuinely feel however at least be honest about it and stop pretending otherwise.
Merkel must find this hilarious.
Dave to Merkel: "We want a new deal with the EU or else."
Merkel: "Or else what?"
Dave: "Ermm or else the British government will still campaign to stay in Europe regardless of any new deal and things will carry on as they are".
There is nothing wrong with being staunchly pro EU if that is how you genuinely feel however at least be honest about it and stop pretending otherwise.
What is even more vexing is that the media will never put it in such clear terms as that, so the con will work
Scuffers said:
TKF said:
Roughly a quarter of the 5m ex-pats live in Europe so you'd expect them to be firmly in the Yes camp.
why?assuming your figure of 5M is correct (and I question that), how many of them will it actually make a difference to?
if we leave, Spain is really not going to forcibly repatriate all the retired brits from their shores, on a simplistic level, they can't afford to loose the income.
as for the working ex-pats, I fail to see how it will make a significant change, most of the UK working ex-pats are in highly skilled roles that are hard to fill, hence why there are ex-pats there in the first place.
no company is going to give up on employing them without a fight, and as every country will already have policies to deal with this, I really don't see it's such a big issue.
Let me put it this way, the day we pull out, there will not be 5M people heading back to the UK.
Look, I know your first instinct is to argue with me but please, I beg you, engage brain before fingers.
To answer your first point, here are where our ex-pats live.
I did not say 5m would be heading home and it's absurd to suggest I did. What I said is that those 1.25m Brits living in Europe are likely to be in favour of the EU and the principle of freedom of movement since they've personally benefited from it. As an aside 30k of them are claiming unemployment benefit from their EU home. You can be damn sure what they'll be voting.
Its exactly what I thought would happen, slant the table by all and any means to get the result scammy and his eu puppetmasters want.
Its no surprise that hes going to betray the british again, he did it before with his cast iron guarantee.
I do hope all the retards that voted tory now start to realise what it was they really voted for?
Surrender, capitulation and domination by the eu.
Get on with it I say, youre about to get what you deserve, the only problem is the rest of us out here, you know, the 60%+ share of the vote who didnt vote for this carp will now be subjected to camerons wet dream.
I see civil disturbance on the horizon, I really do.
Its no surprise that hes going to betray the british again, he did it before with his cast iron guarantee.
I do hope all the retards that voted tory now start to realise what it was they really voted for?
Surrender, capitulation and domination by the eu.
Get on with it I say, youre about to get what you deserve, the only problem is the rest of us out here, you know, the 60%+ share of the vote who didnt vote for this carp will now be subjected to camerons wet dream.
I see civil disturbance on the horizon, I really do.
4v6 said:
I do hope all the retards that voted tory now start to realise what it was they really voted for?
Surrender, capitulation and domination by the eu.
Surrender, capitulation and domination by the eu.
Can't speak for the retards
but as a Conservative voter I voted for the Party and most definitely not for CMD. Following the general election result, which resulted in a Conservative majority and one UKIP MP (and Farage didn't whine after the euro election result) there's a referendum ahead where the British people can choose not to surrender / capitulate to domination by the EU, but if that's what the majority votes for then the rest of us can take note and act accordingly.4v6 said:
I do hope all the retards that voted tory now start to realise what it was they really voted for?
Surrender, capitulation and domination by the eu.
Get on with it I say, youre about to get what you deserve, the only problem is the rest of us out here, you know, the 60%+ share of the vote who didnt vote for this carp will now be subjected to camerons wet dream.
I see civil disturbance on the horizon, I really do.
Maybe dial back the emotion and hyperbole a bit?Surrender, capitulation and domination by the eu.
Get on with it I say, youre about to get what you deserve, the only problem is the rest of us out here, you know, the 60%+ share of the vote who didnt vote for this carp will now be subjected to camerons wet dream.
I see civil disturbance on the horizon, I really do.
70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
TKF said:
Maybe dial back the emotion and hyperbole a bit?
70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
define anti-EU parties?70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
the Tories have given us a referendum, does that make them anti-EU?
The labour party are in favour of the referendum now, does that make them Anti-EU?
The LibDems got wiped out, they are pro-EU, is that the reason they got wiped out?
what spin would you like to put on all this?
Scuffers said:
TKF said:
Maybe dial back the emotion and hyperbole a bit?
70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
define anti-EU parties?70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
the Tories have given us a referendum, does that make them anti-EU?
The labour party are in favour of the referendum now, does that make them Anti-EU?
The LibDems got wiped out, they are pro-EU, is that the reason they got wiped out?
what spin would you like to put on all this?
There's a referendum. The people of the UK will get their say.
If the desire of leaving the EU is strong enough then the people will vote that way, regardless of what Cameron advises them to.
There is no spin. It's pretty obvious which parties at the MEP elections were anti-EU. The clues are in the names.
UK Independence Party 27.5%
An Independence From Europe 1.5%
British National Party 1%
NO2EU 0.2%
Britain First 0.1%
Pirate Party 0.05%
OK I'm not totally sure about the last one's stance on EU. However the rest clearly want us out of the EU and represented ~30% of the vote share.
UK Independence Party 27.5%
An Independence From Europe 1.5%
British National Party 1%
NO2EU 0.2%
Britain First 0.1%
Pirate Party 0.05%
OK I'm not totally sure about the last one's stance on EU. However the rest clearly want us out of the EU and represented ~30% of the vote share.
TKF said:
There is no spin. It's pretty obvious which parties at the MEP elections were anti-EU. The clues are in the names.
UK Independence Party 27.5%
An Independence From Europe 1.5%
British National Party 1%
NO2EU 0.2%
Britain First 0.1%
Pirate Party 0.05%
OK I'm not totally sure about the last one's stance on EU. However the rest clearly want us out of the EU and represented ~30% of the vote share.
so the fact that Daniel Hannan is a tory makes him pro-EU then?UK Independence Party 27.5%
An Independence From Europe 1.5%
British National Party 1%
NO2EU 0.2%
Britain First 0.1%
Pirate Party 0.05%
OK I'm not totally sure about the last one's stance on EU. However the rest clearly want us out of the EU and represented ~30% of the vote share.
Scuffers said:
TKF said:
There is no spin. It's pretty obvious which parties at the MEP elections were anti-EU. The clues are in the names.
UK Independence Party 27.5%
An Independence From Europe 1.5%
British National Party 1%
NO2EU 0.2%
Britain First 0.1%
Pirate Party 0.05%
OK I'm not totally sure about the last one's stance on EU. However the rest clearly want us out of the EU and represented ~30% of the vote share.
so the fact that Daniel Hannan is a tory makes him pro-EU then?UK Independence Party 27.5%
An Independence From Europe 1.5%
British National Party 1%
NO2EU 0.2%
Britain First 0.1%
Pirate Party 0.05%
OK I'm not totally sure about the last one's stance on EU. However the rest clearly want us out of the EU and represented ~30% of the vote share.
This question still remains.
TKF said:
70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
Foppo said:
What is wrong with her speech about climate change?
Federal or not whatever happens to our planet will affect all of us.
what's wrong?Federal or not whatever happens to our planet will affect all of us.
nobody to date has managed to actually prove man-made climate change, but they are quite happy to commit industrial suicide for us all on the basis that it's (1) real and (2) fixable.
Foppo said:
Mojocvh said:
If you need a reason for GTFO out of Federal Europe catch Angela Merkel's speech at the G8-1 this afternoon, dedicated to the climate change agenda...
What is wrong with her speech about climate change?Federal or not whatever happens to our planet will affect all of us.
Mojocvh said:
Foppo said:
Mojocvh said:
If you need a reason for GTFO out of Federal Europe catch Angela Merkel's speech at the G8-1 this afternoon, dedicated to the climate change agenda...
What is wrong with her speech about climate change?Federal or not whatever happens to our planet will affect all of us.
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