The 'No to the EU' campaign

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AJS- said:

So more fence sitting from Boris Johnson. The higher up the political laddrer he has gone the less impressive he has become.

Jacob Rees-Mogg was on the Daily Politics today talking about the next Tory leader. He said that the ordinary members of the party are so eurosceptic that anyone campaigning for the stay in side would be at a major disadvantage when it comes to the next leadership contest. Perhaps it's a case of 'of course Rees-Mogg would say that given his position on Europe' however if he's correct then maybe Boris and a few others will come out and publically campaign for Brexit.

[Scuffers]

the longer this goes on the less respect I have for Boris Johnson's position he seems to me just to be wanting to sit on the fence and see which way the wind is blowing rather than actually having some conviction in his own judgement.

leaders are supposed to lead not act as weathercocks

[don4l]

Scuffers said:

the longer this goes on the less respect I have for Boris Johnson's position he seems to me just to be wanting to sit on the fence and see which way the wind is blowing rather than actually having some conviction in his own judgement.

leaders are supposed to lead not act as weathercocks

I completely agree. I have always liked Boris, but lately I have been going off him at an alarming rate.

[Funkycoldribena]

don4l said:

Scuffers said:

the longer this goes on the less respect I have for Boris Johnson's position he seems to me just to be wanting to sit on the fence and see which way the wind is blowing rather than actually having some conviction in his own judgement.

leaders are supposed to lead not act as weathercocks

I completely agree. I have always liked Boris, but lately I have been going off him at an alarming rate.

The one good thing to come out of all this is seeing the politicians and media in their true light, it's like they're all of a sudden wearing stockings instead of masks.

[FiF]

Funkycoldribena said:

don4l said:

Scuffers said:

the longer this goes on the less respect I have for Boris Johnson's position he seems to me just to be wanting to sit on the fence and see which way the wind is blowing rather than actually having some conviction in his own judgement.

leaders are supposed to lead not act as weathercocks

I completely agree. I have always liked Boris, but lately I have been going off him at an alarming rate.

The one good thing to come out of all this is seeing the politicians and media in their true light, it's like they're all of a sudden wearing stockings instead of masks.

Completely agree with you there. The shallowness and lack of knowledge displayed by some of the politicians and especially the commentariat is truly breathtaking.

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ok let's assume that they are not all idiots, whay exactly is call me Dave so interested on keeping us in the EU what's in it for him?

[rs1952]

Ayahuasca said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Cameron saying that in the event of Brexit, the Calais refugees will end up in the UK.

Er, no.

Er, why not?

To look at this from the French perspective, the migrants are not seen to be their problem. They want to come to the UK, not France. Calais is currently “kettling” them, and a lot of the locals don’t like it. They take the view that their government is doing the UK’s dirty work for it, in letting the buggers stay there in the first place. I heard today (OK from an unreliable source because I am 6000 miles away from it all at the moment so my updates on the news are patchy) that the Mayor of Calais is already suggesting that the French should terminate the border control agreement that they have with the UK.

Move that thought forward to a UK Brexit.

What is in it for the French to retain the present arrangements? They have a problem on their doorstep which they do not see as being of their own making. By the simple expedient of scrapping the current agreement, when the migrants turn up, the local “low life” just sell them a dinghy and point at the White Cliffs in the distance. The French immediately get rid of their problem to their newly non-EU neighbour.

Perhaps there are sufficient PHers to man the machine guns at Capel Le Ferne...?

Be careful of what you wish for

[PRTVR]

rs1952 said:

Ayahuasca said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Cameron saying that in the event of Brexit, the Calais refugees will end up in the UK.

Er, no.

Er, why not?

To look at this from the French perspective, the migrants are not seen to be their problem. They want to come to the UK, not France. Calais is currently “kettling” them, and a lot of the locals don’t like it. They take the view that their government is doing the UK’s dirty work for it, in letting the buggers stay there in the first place. I heard today (OK from an unreliable source because I am 6000 miles away from it all at the moment so my updates on the news are patchy) that the Mayor of Calais is already suggesting that the French should terminate the border control agreement that they have with the UK.

Move that thought forward to a UK Brexit.

What is in it for the French to retain the present arrangements? They have a problem on their doorstep which they do not see as being of their own making. By the simple expedient of scrapping the current agreement, when the migrants turn up, the local “low life” just sell them a dinghy and point at the White Cliffs in the distance. The French immediately get rid of their problem to their newly non-EU neighbour.

Perhaps there are sufficient PHers to man the machine guns at Capel Le Ferne...?

Be careful of what you wish for

I always find it strange that people are unable to see answers to problems, given that the French are saying it would never happen, if it did the simply answer is to stop using Calais,switch to a Belgium port, then see how long it takes them to sort the problem at Calais.

[alfie2244]

rs1952 said:

Perhaps there are sufficient PHers to man the machine guns at Capel Le Ferne...?

Perhaps they can pay their respects here whilst there.

https://youtu.be/meN1ItmTEKo

[Murph7355]

rs1952 said:

Er, why not?

To look at this from the French perspective, the migrants are not seen to be their problem. They want to come to the UK, not France. Calais is currently “kettling” them, and a lot of the locals don’t like it. They take the view that their government is doing the UK’s dirty work for it, in letting the buggers stay there in the first place. I heard today (OK from an unreliable source because I am 6000 miles away from it all at the moment so my updates on the news are patchy) that the Mayor of Calais is already suggesting that the French should terminate the border control agreement that they have with the UK.
...

What guarantees are there that they won't simply do this even if we stay in?

Conversely it would be nice if our own politicians could control our own border our own way...say by turning back any illegals to the country they originated from. If every country did this the problem would lessen/go away.

[jshell]

Zod said:

Who the heck would want to seek asylum in Russia, by the way?

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151224/1032275259/norway-russia-refugees.html

Norway returning migrants to Russia!

[FiF]

PRTVR said:

rs1952 said:

Ayahuasca said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Cameron saying that in the event of Brexit, the Calais refugees will end up in the UK.

Er, no.

Er, why not?

To look at this from the French perspective, the migrants are not seen to be their problem. They want to come to the UK, not France. Calais is currently “kettling” them, and a lot of the locals don’t like it. They take the view that their government is doing the UK’s dirty work for it, in letting the buggers stay there in the first place. I heard today (OK from an unreliable source because I am 6000 miles away from it all at the moment so my updates on the news are patchy) that the Mayor of Calais is already suggesting that the French should terminate the border control agreement that they have with the UK.

Move that thought forward to a UK Brexit.

What is in it for the French to retain the present arrangements? They have a problem on their doorstep which they do not see as being of their own making. By the simple expedient of scrapping the current agreement, when the migrants turn up, the local “low life” just sell them a dinghy and point at the White Cliffs in the distance. The French immediately get rid of their problem to their newly non-EU neighbour.

Perhaps there are sufficient PHers to man the machine guns at Capel Le Ferne...?

Be careful of what you wish for

I always find it strange that people are unable to see answers to problems, given that the French are saying it would never happen, if it did the simply answer is to stop using Calais,switch to a Belgium port, then see how long it takes them to sort the problem at Calais.

Let's deal with this Brexit means the French automatically tear up the agreement over UK officials on French soil malarkey.

It's true there are some French officials making those noises, but why? Could it be part of their proEU noises as really all they want is more UK cash to help them. Which is what they get from the current deal. Which of course was arranged because of the accumulated migrants at Sangatte.

So get rid of the agreement and bulldoze the Jungle and now the French will still have the same problem, except they will have to manage it without the millions of funding and resources they get now. Two can play at that game.

Seriously people need to consider the realities of the situation, the control would fall, on each side, as of course French border officials would no longer be allowed in Dover or St Pancras or Ashford etc etc, main part of the burden would fall on non governmental bodies, eg ferry and port operators.

Meanwhile another Sangatte would develop, and as White Wednesday points out in much more detail then it might prompt adults to sit round the table to thrash out a deal. Le Touquet could be a suitable venue.

[steveT350C]

RMT union votes to campaign for Brexit

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/articl...

Eta article from June last year but good to remember

Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 10th February 12:37

[AstonZagato]

Feck. I might have to reassess my own position. I'm not sure that I should ever be on the same side of a debate as the RMT.

[Zod]

steveT350C said:

RMT union votes to campaign for Brexit

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/articl...

Eta article from June last year but good to remember

Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 10th February 12:37

Yes, the RMT's views are always worth taking into account.

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Zod said:

Yes, the RMT's views are always worth taking into account.

any more than Boris's old mans are (on Radio 2 currently)

Spouting we should stay for the sake of the environment.

when will these cretins FRO?

[v8250]

Scuffers said:

when will these cretins FRO?

FRO? Ah yes, Foreign & Refugee Office...a sub-division of the FCO?

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/foreig...

[Scuffers]

no F**K RIGHT OFF

So, all you EU lovers, what you got to say about this?

EU Force One: Juncker commutes to Strasbourg by private jet

Jean-Claude Juncker and his top officials fly by private jet between Brussels and Strasbourg - a journey of just 220 miles - as EU forks out for €12m air deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

Please, explain to the rest of us why this is all a great idea etc etc?

[turbobloke]

Scuffers said:

no F**K RIGHT OFF

So, all you EU lovers, what you got to say about this?

EU Force One: Juncker commutes to Strasbourg by private jet

Jean-Claude Juncker and his top officials fly by private jet between Brussels and Strasbourg - a journey of just 220 miles - as EU forks out for €12m air deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

Please, explain to the rest of us why this is all a great idea etc etc?

I'm not an EU lover but there is this...given the massive levels of smug self-importance in these incompetent muppets...

They've got AirForceOneEnvy.

[alfie2244]

turbobloke said:

Scuffers said:

no F**K RIGHT OFF

So, all you EU lovers, what you got to say about this?

EU Force One: Juncker commutes to Strasbourg by private jet

Jean-Claude Juncker and his top officials fly by private jet between Brussels and Strasbourg - a journey of just 220 miles - as EU forks out for €12m air deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

Please, explain to the rest of us why this is all a great idea etc etc?

I'm not an EU lover but there is this...given the massive levels of smug self-importance in these incompetent muppets...

They've got AirForceOneEnvy.

Not forgetting this - and all to keep France happy.

"Running two bases, and shuttling staff between them, now costs £130million a year, including £50million on maintaining buildings that sit empty for three weeks in a month."