The 'No to the EU' campaign
Discussion
fido said:
TKF said:
There is no spin.
Except you've defined "voting for anti-EU party" as the same as "voting No in referendum" .. which as several people have pointed out is clearly nonsense! Also to add that some Labour folk e.g. Kate Hoey are also 'No'.TKF said:
70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
Is anyone going to attempt to answer the simple question or do you want to continue picking imaginary holes in it?TKF said:
70% of the public didn't vote for anti-EU parties at the last Euro election. If we see similar numbers at the referendum will you accept the will of the public?
Simple answer: No - i'd still want another referendum! 
Realistically, I'd be looking to move anyway .. as I'd rather be part of a United States that works properly, or maybe somewhere with better weather, no strikes and some growth outlook (eastwards).
Edited by fido on Monday 8th June 16:37
steveT350C said:
A group of ~20 highly liquid individuals are preparing to launch a £20m non-political campaign for Britain to quit the European Union...excellent news.
turbobloke said:
steveT350C said:
A group of ~20 highly liquid individuals are preparing to launch a £20m non-political campaign for Britain to quit the European Union...excellent news.mph1977 said:
turbobloke said:
steveT350C said:
A group of ~20 highly liquid individuals are preparing to launch a £20m non-political campaign for Britain to quit the European Union...excellent news.turbobloke said:
Not really, the army General or A N Other will be fronting the group which unless you can show (not smear) otherwise is non-political as stated. All group members will have their own political persuasion, not the same one though unless you can show they are all kippers or tories or (etc).
Quoting directly from the article "The group, led by Arron Banks, (above) an insurance millionaire and major donor to the UK Independence Party" ...
"We represent a group of entrepreneurs, businessmen who are very different from the same people who go around the Westminster bubble." sounds like the same sort of guff the 'kippers came out with before it was revealed they were either loons or failed members of other parties
mph1977 said:
turbobloke said:
Not really, the army General or A N Other will be fronting the group which unless you can show (not smear) otherwise is non-political as stated. All group members will have their own political persuasion, not the same one though unless you can show they are all kippers or tories or (etc).
Quoting directly from the article "The group, led by Arron Banks, (above) an insurance millionaire and major donor to the UK Independence Party" ...
"A former British army general is in talks about being the group's leader"
mph1977 said:
"We represent a group of entrepreneurs, businessmen who are very different from the same people who go around the Westminster bubble." sounds like the same sort of guff the 'kippers came out with before it was revealed they were either loons or failed members of other parties
If you want it to, maybe it does.Too many people will vote Yes (to staying in the EU because they are ignorant fools, who have no idea what the EU is. I have a very intelligent sister, in top management, who wants to stay in the EU because " I like being able to travel to Spain and not worry about having medical insurance, and it's nice being part of Europe". I'm afraid these sentiments are shared by many people.
The goal of the EU is for Europe to be ONE nation. It is not a democratic institution, commissioners are appointed, not elected by the general population of the member states. Neither are the policy makers of the EU administration, they are all appointed.
If people want a United States of Europe, governed by an unelected President presiding over unelected commissioners, who decide policy and legislation, then vote to stay in the EU.
If you want the UK to be part of a Free trade bloc, where a democratically elected UK government decides policy, and you can vote them in or out every 5 years, then vote No.
All this nonsense about we won't be able to sell anything to European countries is nonsense. Of they impose an import tax on our home produced Jaguars, Range Rovers, Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, etc, then we will simply impose an import tax on their VW's, BMW's Mercedes, Porsche's, Audis, Seat's and Skodas. And the Germans need the UK market, they won't try and destroy it.
The goal of the EU is for Europe to be ONE nation. It is not a democratic institution, commissioners are appointed, not elected by the general population of the member states. Neither are the policy makers of the EU administration, they are all appointed.
If people want a United States of Europe, governed by an unelected President presiding over unelected commissioners, who decide policy and legislation, then vote to stay in the EU.
If you want the UK to be part of a Free trade bloc, where a democratically elected UK government decides policy, and you can vote them in or out every 5 years, then vote No.
All this nonsense about we won't be able to sell anything to European countries is nonsense. Of they impose an import tax on our home produced Jaguars, Range Rovers, Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, etc, then we will simply impose an import tax on their VW's, BMW's Mercedes, Porsche's, Audis, Seat's and Skodas. And the Germans need the UK market, they won't try and destroy it.
BlackLabel said:
Lord Newby said:
"If they had a vote when they were still at school, it would force schools to tell them about it."
I'm sure that will give them a good well rounded view of the effects of EU membership. Crikey.
The excuses are mounting up already...
Wording of the question
Demographic of who's allowed to vote
Bias in media
Lack of knowledge in general public (only applies to Yes voters)
Lack of "big name" No campaign figurehead
Mass funding for Yes campaign. Lack of money for No vote campaign
Global warming
Jeremy Clarkson fired from Top Gear
Immigration
Housing
Did I miss any?
The excuses are mounting up already...
Wording of the question
Demographic of who's allowed to vote
Bias in media
Lack of knowledge in general public (only applies to Yes voters)
Lack of "big name" No campaign figurehead
Mass funding for Yes campaign. Lack of money for No vote campaign
Global warming
Jeremy Clarkson fired from Top Gear
Immigration
Housing
Did I miss any?
Regarding purdah, I'm fairly sure Cameron couldn't enforce this if he wanted to.
The European Commission will be campaigning for an In vote and they're unlikely to abide by British rules. They did exactly that in Ireland as far as I can tell over the Lisbon referendum. The legal challenge to this seems to have petered out. Would be very interested if anyone knows more?
Supposing purdah was in place and the Commission broke it, does anyone suppose Cameron would pursue legal action against the EC?
The European Commission will be campaigning for an In vote and they're unlikely to abide by British rules. They did exactly that in Ireland as far as I can tell over the Lisbon referendum. The legal challenge to this seems to have petered out. Would be very interested if anyone knows more?
Supposing purdah was in place and the Commission broke it, does anyone suppose Cameron would pursue legal action against the EC?
zygalski said:
Crikey.
The excuses are mounting up already...
Wording of the question
Demographic of who's allowed to vote
Bias in media
Lack of knowledge in general public (only applies to Yes voters)
Lack of "big name" No campaign figurehead
Mass funding for Yes campaign. Lack of money for No vote campaign
Global warming
Jeremy Clarkson fired from Top Gear
Immigration
Housing
Did I miss any?
Only the main one, Are you in favour of an increasingly integrated EU, governed by an unelected administration that does what they perceive to be best for Europe, not best for the UK. I presume you're going to vote 'Yes'. So explain your reasons for voting Yes. The excuses are mounting up already...
Wording of the question
Demographic of who's allowed to vote
Bias in media
Lack of knowledge in general public (only applies to Yes voters)
Lack of "big name" No campaign figurehead
Mass funding for Yes campaign. Lack of money for No vote campaign
Global warming
Jeremy Clarkson fired from Top Gear
Immigration
Housing
Did I miss any?
JensenA said:
Only the main one, Are you in favour of an increasingly integrated EU, governed by an unelected administration that does what they perceive to be best for Europe, not best for the UK. I presume you're going to vote 'Yes'. So explain your reasons for voting Yes.
There are problems both leaving or staying in the EU. On balance I think that the UK is better served remaining inside the Union.Now a question for you.
What are the disadvantages & costs of the UK leaving the EU?
JensenA said:
zygalski said:
Crikey.
The excuses are mounting up already...
Wording of the question
Demographic of who's allowed to vote
Bias in media
Lack of knowledge in general public (only applies to Yes voters)
Lack of "big name" No campaign figurehead
Mass funding for Yes campaign. Lack of money for No vote campaign
Global warming
Jeremy Clarkson fired from Top Gear
Immigration
Housing
Did I miss any?
Only the main one, Are you in favour of an increasingly integrated EU, governed by an unelected administration that does what they perceive to be best for Europe, not best for the UK. I presume you're going to vote 'Yes'. So explain your reasons for voting Yes. The excuses are mounting up already...
Wording of the question
Demographic of who's allowed to vote
Bias in media
Lack of knowledge in general public (only applies to Yes voters)
Lack of "big name" No campaign figurehead
Mass funding for Yes campaign. Lack of money for No vote campaign
Global warming
Jeremy Clarkson fired from Top Gear
Immigration
Housing
Did I miss any?
zygalski said:
There are problems leaving & staying in the EU. On balance I think that the UK is better served remaining inside the Union.
Now a question for you.
What are the disadvantages & costs of the UK leaving the EU?
Unsurprisingly, you are unable to post a coherent and detailed reply to the original question. Now a question for you.
What are the disadvantages & costs of the UK leaving the EU?
zygalski said:
There are problems both leaving or staying in the EU. On balance I think that the UK is better served remaining inside the Union.
Now a question for you.
What are the disadvantages & costs of the UK leaving the EU?
There really aren't any. Leaving EFTA/EEA would throw up a new trading regime which would take some time to adjust to. But leaving the EU is not the same thing.Now a question for you.
What are the disadvantages & costs of the UK leaving the EU?
What advantages do you suppose undemocratic supranational government brings?
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