The 'No to the EU' campaign

[steveT350C]

Britain's pro-EU carmakers say plants not at risk from 'Brexit'

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0RG23F...

[turbobloke]

steveT350C said:

Britain's pro-EU carmakers say plants not at risk from 'Brexit'

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0RG23F...

It sounds a bit hedgy with the investment bit, then:

Article said:

"We made our plans, we've announced the investments ... and they were in full knowledge that there was a referendum so we believe in the UK," said Kevin Rose, board member for sales at Volkswagen owned Bentley.

Another powerful statement effectively supporting Brexit by taking the ground from under scaremongers' feet.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Another powerful statement effectively supporting Brexit by taking the ground from under scaremongers' feet.

Sounds more like-we'll carry on investing for the moment then see what happens.

The problem is 'Brexit' could mean many different outcomes, from next to no change to massive changes.

Also the car companies interviewed are:
Rolls Royce-Being British is central to their brand-say they're not going anywhere.
Bentley-Again being British is very important to them-not going anywher according to UK head of sales-VAG chief more vague.
JLR-To a certain extent British important to them-nearly all engineering and manufacturing expertise in the UK, and UK-centred business, not going anywhere.
Ford-Warn they will reassess in the event of Brexit
Vauxhall-say they will stay
Nissan-not interviewed but recently invested a lot.

So 3 of those saying they will stay have being british as central to their brand.
Of the other two interviewed Vauxhall say they'll carry on investing, Ford say they'd re-assess

It's worth noting the opening remark too:

article said:

Britain's foreign-owned carmakers, strong supporters of the open markets created by its membership of the European Union, would not shut their plants were the country to leave the bloc, though future investment could be at risk, executives told Reuters. [\quote]

That's a bit different to the headline-and hardly a ringing endorsement for leaving

[turbobloke]

We now have several recent outspoken comments from industry leaders as posted in this thread, basically saying that Brexit is of no major concern to them as far as remaining in the UK as employers is concerned, some are less hesitant on investment than others, and the number is growing. All we need now is Ghosn to say what he really thinks given that he was supposedly taking Nissan ot of the UK if we didn't join the EZ, we didn't and Nissan is still here. This trend is a good thing when the IN / YES vote is basically being built around vague, hand-waving scaremongering that is, frankly, risible as an approach to the debate.

[FiF]

turbobloke said:

We now have several recent outspoken comments from industry leaders as posted in this thread, basically saying that Brexit is of no major concern to them as far as remaining in the UK as employers is concerned, some are less hesitant on investment than others, and the number is growing. All we need now is Ghosn to say what he really thinks given that he was supposedly taking Nissan ot of the UK if we didn't join the EZ, we didn't and Nissan is still here. This trend is a good thing when the IN / YES vote is basically being built around vague, hand-waving scaremongering that is, frankly, risible as an approach to the debate.

Don't forget the cheaper mobile phone roaming charges TB and the errr... the errr... the cheaper mobile roaming charges.

[Scuffers]

All this talk of car companies pulling out if we leave the EU ...

Their more likely to come here if we can pull out of the EU and dump all the stupid green energy charges thats making all our Industries pay 30 to 40% more in electricity and gas bills than they should be. current example of this is the steelworks that's about to shut.

[bobbylondonuk]

Scuffers said:

All this talk of car companies pulling out if we leave the EU ...

Their more likely to come here if we can pull out of the EU and dump all the stupid green energy charges thats making all our Industries pay 30 to 40% more in electricity and gas bills than they should be. current example of this is the steelworks that's about to shut.

this is the trick for big business to stay. If we can lower their cost of production and taxation, they will come and stay and grow bigger in uk. Any import tariffs the eu imposes on their products are taxes paid by eu customers. Eu won't penalise uk exports because uk would impose the same tariffs on Europe goods. And uk consumes a lot of eu goods, they need our capacity to consume their goods.

[turbobloke]

It will be business as usual soon enough, that's if it's not seamless in effect which it could be with the will that exists in mutual trade relations. Then as posted below, when the context for business improves in the UK there will be relocations in.

[steveT350C]

HSBC's UK chief executive António Simões on @BBCBreakfast says #brexit would make no difference to banks plans

[turbobloke]

steveT350C said:

HSBC's UK chief executive António Simões on @BBCBreakfast says #brexit would make no difference to banks plans

More sanity prevailing. Excellent news once again.

[AJS-]

Seems like this is really gathering some momentum now. Since Cameron's loaded question was thrown out, the whole "business" argument is falling apart, the polls are showing a great rise for the Out campaign and the EU is continuing to show itself as being not only useless but downright destructive in it's handling of the migrant crisis.

Roll on the referendum and let's get out of this miserable club as soon as possible.

[superlightr]

The sooner we leave the sooner we can save some money. Do the UK have to give any notice period?

[Esseesse]

syncii said:

When (not if) we exit the EU will all the EU benefit scroungers be sent back to whence they came or are we stuck with them?

If parliament is actually sovereign then I suppose it's up to parliament (and the countries whence they came, if they're not British subjects (but are citizens of wherever) then you'd think the case would be strong).

[FiF]

superlightr said:

The sooner we leave the sooner we can save some money. Do the UK have to give any notice period?

It's all written down in Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

After giving notice then the negotiation for the terms of the exit begins. The exit can be as soon as the negotiations are completed and agreed, but after two years from giving notice then the exit takes effect unless all parties agree to an extension.

Note invoking Article 50 should not be done lightly eg as a simple negotiating ploy to get treaty changes. It's not clear if having invoked Article 50 whether it would be possible to change one's mind. It's likely that after two years the nation would have to leave and reapply to join in case of a change of heart.

Not that that is likely to happen as nobody in their right mind would apply to join these days, unless in a nation that would benefit from EU largesse.

More detailed analysis here which also covers the nuclear option of ignoring Article 50 and Parliament simply repealing the European Communities Act.

[FiF]

Are we surprised? Not really to be honest, Dave all noise, and no action. In reality not much noise either, he thinks he can do as he wants.

article linked below said:

”We just haven’t heard anything from the British about what they want for ages,” said one EU diplomat. “It does seem to have stalled. It’s very awkward for us all.”

“There is not a word,” another exasperated senior official added to The Sunday Telegraph. “Not a single word typed on a single sheet of paper.”

Cameron's EU renegotiation stalled

[AJS-]

esxste said:

So.. how are the No to EU people liking Corbyns generally anti-EU views? Of All the Party leaders now, he's perhaps the most likely to lead Britain out of Europe.

I'm glad of it in a way. It seeks to be generally assumed that opposition to EU membership is a right wing patriotic thing, if Corbyn can make a left wing case for leaving then great.

On the other hand he's such an odd ball I wonder if Cameron is also glad of it, judging that once his honeymoon is over he will do more harm than good.

[steveT350C]

AJS- said:

esxste said:

So.. how are the No to EU people liking Corbyns generally anti-EU views? Of All the Party leaders now, he's perhaps the most likely to lead Britain out of Europe.

I'm glad of it in a way. It seeks to be generally assumed that opposition to EU membership is a right wing patriotic thing, if Corbyn can make a left wing case for leaving then great.

On the other hand he's such an odd ball I wonder if Cameron is also glad of it, judging that once his honeymoon is over he will do more harm than good.

I thought Corbyn had changed his mind and is now pro EU?

[turbobloke]

AJS- said:

esxste said:

So.. how are the No to EU people liking Corbyns generally anti-EU views? Of All the Party leaders now, he's perhaps the most likely to lead Britain out of Europe.

I'm glad of it in a way. It seeks to be generally assumed that opposition to EU membership is a right wing patriotic thing, if Corbyn can make a left wing case for leaving then great.

"The left must put Britain's EU withdrawal on the agenda"
Owen Jones

The left must now campaign to leave the EU

'Progressives should be appalled by European Union’s ruination of Greece. It’s time to reclaim the Eurosceptic cause.'

[AJS-]

Steve
He seems to be sort of lazily in favour in a way that I suspect many Labour voters are because they don't want to be associated with John Redwood. If he actually has to figure out a reason for being in favour of it I suspect he will change his tune. If he can drag some of his support with him then good.

Turbo
Owen Jones is right, for once.

[Scuffers]

we are not alone it would appear:


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/ukraine-...