The 'No to the EU' campaign

[steveT350C]

Junker, yesterday....

"In Europe, we must finally agree on a simple principle: the same pay for the same job wherever it is."

http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKCN0RT1HM...

[FiF]

So once again the fair weather organisation that is the EU isn't working when the weather turns a bit grotty, the answer is more integration. Yet they can't see that when the weather turns foul the member nation cooperation dissolves once again into nationalistic discord. As it always will and forcing more integration on unwilling citizens will just increase the nationalistic discord.

[Esseesse]

steveT350C said:

Junker, yesterday....

"In Europe, we must finally agree on a simple principle: the same pay for the same job wherever it is."

http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKCN0RT1HM...

What if you're better at your job than most people?

If we don't vote to leave in the referendum, I can see the questioning resurfacing sooner rather than later.

[AJS-]

steveT350C said:

Junker, yesterday....

"In Europe, we must finally agree on a simple principle: the same pay for the same job wherever it is."

http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKCN0RT1HM...

A principle that isn't even agreed upon in a city like London. Never mind the UK as a whole. I'm sure it will work great across a who continent.

[oyster]

steveT350C said:

Junker, yesterday....

"In Europe, we must finally agree on a simple principle: the same pay for the same job wherever it is."

http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKCN0RT1HM...

Ironic that the anti-Europe mob are hailing this remark as evidence of the problems with the EU, when it would actually massively reduce immigration to the UK and massively increase our exports to the EU.

Not that ti would ever get off the ground of course.

[Scuffers]

realistically the very idea you could implement this is just so far out there.

It does make you wonder whether there smoking substances over there is nobody in their right mind you come up with crap like this.

[PRTVR]

Scuffers said:

realistically the very idea you could implement this is just so far out there.

It does make you wonder whether there smoking substances over there is nobody in their right mind you come up with crap like this.

Well what else have that got to do? It's not like there is anything important happening, like the largest mass immigration problem since the second world war...did somebody mention fiddle's and Rome?

[Esseesse]

oyster said:

steveT350C said:

Junker, yesterday....

"In Europe, we must finally agree on a simple principle: the same pay for the same job wherever it is."

http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKCN0RT1HM...

Ironic that the anti-Europe mob are hailing this remark as evidence of the problems with the EU, when it would actually massively reduce immigration to the UK and massively increase our exports to the EU.

Not that ti would ever get off the ground of course.

Well it would result in a different problem, but the same problem that the EU has too much power over the UK. I think most against the EU in this thread probably support the idea of a smaller state, capitalism and broadly less state intervention. Fixing wages for jobs would be rather a long way in the other direction.

[Bluebarge]

syncii said:

When (not if) we exit the EU will all the EU benefit scroungers be sent back to whence they came or are we stuck with them?

No, because only 2.5% of benefit claimants are from the EU. Over 92% are UK citizens.

[TEKNOPUG]

Bluebarge said:

syncii said:

When (not if) we exit the EU will all the EU benefit scroungers be sent back to whence they came or are we stuck with them?

No, because only 2.5% of benefit claimants are from the EU. Over 92% are UK citizens.

That's not a reason for it not happening! Only 2.5% of my house is on fire, so I won't bother doing anything about it....

[Bluebarge]

TEKNOPUG said:

Bluebarge said:

syncii said:

When (not if) we exit the EU will all the EU benefit scroungers be sent back to whence they came or are we stuck with them?

No, because only 2.5% of benefit claimants are from the EU. Over 92% are UK citizens.

That's not a reason for it not happening! Only 2.5% of my house is on fire, so I won't bother doing anything about it....

Wrong analogy. 100% of your house is on fire but you are only intent on tackling the 2.5% of it that you think is foreign. Strange mind-set.

[mph1977]

Bluebarge said:

No, because only 2.5% of benefit claimants are from the EU. Over 92% are UK citizens.

and of that 2.5 % how many are claiming in work benefits ? or things like PIP or childbenefit which are 'work insensitive '...

[TEKNOPUG]

Bluebarge said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Bluebarge said:

syncii said:

When (not if) we exit the EU will all the EU benefit scroungers be sent back to whence they came or are we stuck with them?

No, because only 2.5% of benefit claimants are from the EU. Over 92% are UK citizens.

That's not a reason for it not happening! Only 2.5% of my house is on fire, so I won't bother doing anything about it....

Wrong analogy. 100% of your house is on fire but you are only intent on tackling the 2.5% of it that you think is foreign. Strange mind-set.

100% of your house is burning down but you won't bother saving 2.5% of your contents right by the door because the other 97.5% are trickier to get to. Again, strange mind-set.

Still, as much fun as this banter is, if there is a Brexit, EU Citizens won't be entitled to UK benefits, so I fail to see how your reasoning that they only make up 2.5% has any relevance to anything, at all.

[mph1977]

TEKNOPUG said:

100% of your house is burning down but you won't bother saving 2.5% of your contents right by the door because the other 97.5% are trickier to get to. Again, strange mind-set.

Still, as much fun as this banter is, if there is a Brexit, EU Citizens won't be entitled to UK benefits, so I fail to see how your reasoning that they only make up 2.5% has any relevance to anything, at all.

except of course those who remain legally here on work permits etc likely will be entitled to such things as child benefit and PIP/DLA if appropriate

[Bluebarge]

TEKNOPUG said:

Still, as much fun as this banter is, if there is a Brexit, EU Citizens won't be entitled to UK benefits, so I fail to see how your reasoning that they only make up 2.5% has any relevance to anything, at all.

Well, you "outers" are constantly banging on about the Norwegian model so if you are sincere about that then this would apply, in which case, see my previous post:
http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons

[Scuffers]

TEKNOPUG said:

Still, as much fun as this banter is, if there is a Brexit, EU Citizens won't be entitled to UK benefits, so I fail to see how your reasoning that they only make up 2.5% has any relevance to anything, at all.

where did you get this 2.5% figure, cause I suspect it's total bks..

It may be right if you're just referring to jobseeker's allowance, but seeing as that's a small fraction of the benefits bill, it's pretty much irrelevant.

[steveT350C]

Romania having second thoughts about joining EZ

http://m.france24.com/en/20150930-romania-joining-...

[Bluebarge]

Scuffers said:

where did you get this 2.5% figure, cause I suspect it's total bks..

Well, if you're too lazy to google it, try this:
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...
Plus you might want to reflect on this, and the impact of all those elderly Brits currently being looked after by the Iberian health systems who will be back claiming off the NHS if we leave the EU:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp...

[PRTVR]

Bluebarge said:

Scuffers said:

where did you get this 2.5% figure, cause I suspect it's total bks..

Well, if you're too lazy to google it, try this:
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...
Plus you might want to reflect on this, and the impact of all those elderly Brits currently being looked after by the Iberian health systems who will be back claiming off the NHS if we leave the EU:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp...

Do not the Spanish charge the NHS for treatment of UK residents?
Anyway we would be better off financial.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/07/tre...

[Bluebarge]

PRTVR said:

Bluebarge said:

Scuffers said:

where did you get this 2.5% figure, cause I suspect it's total bks..

Well, if you're too lazy to google it, try this:
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...
Plus you might want to reflect on this, and the impact of all those elderly Brits currently being looked after by the Iberian health systems who will be back claiming off the NHS if we leave the EU:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp...

Do not the Spanish charge the NHS for treatment of UK residents?
Anyway we would be better off financial.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/07/tre...

No, I'm talking about the 1m Brits who are permanently resident in Spain. And that article you quote doesn't back up your assertion about being better off financially. In fact, anything on that point is mostly conjecture.