The 'No to the EU' campaign

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Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Now I've had a read around a few dozen takes on who gets the official designation and their merits, it seems clear that Leave.eu should get it.

The other option is headed by people who have run fairly useless campaigns in the past, and are mostly Torys (are they willing to stick it to Dave?), and largely seem to be in the 'lets see what the renegotiation is' camp rather than the 'lets leave' camp. How people who are undecided on whether we should leave could possibly get the official 'leave' designation is beyond me.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/getting-...

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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syncii said:
Interesting to see Merkel and Hollande's faces

Almost wrote faeces........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeFfiYgcro&fe...

Edited by syncii on Wednesday 7th October 19:25
Oh I wish CMD had the balls to have a 1 to 1 debate with Farage.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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alfie2244 said:
Oh I wish CMD had the balls to have a 1 to 1 debate with Farage.
Never going to happen...

Since Farage effectively killed off clegg and the SDP on LBC, he knows nothing good can ever come from it.

Look at the weasaling over the election broadcasts...

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Scuffers said:
alfie2244 said:
Oh I wish CMD had the balls to have a 1 to 1 debate with Farage.
Never going to happen...

Since Farage effectively killed off clegg and the SDP on LBC, he knows nothing good can ever come from it.

Look at the weasaling over the election broadcasts...
It's starting to seem like the tactic for the no campaign may be to put their efforts into personally discrediting Cameron himself. To turn the vote into are you with/against Cameron.

Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Esseesse said:
Scuffers said:
alfie2244 said:
Oh I wish CMD had the balls to have a 1 to 1 debate with Farage.
Never going to happen...

Since Farage effectively killed off clegg and the SDP on LBC, he knows nothing good can ever come from it.

Look at the weasaling over the election broadcasts...
It's starting to seem like the tactic for the no campaign may be to put their efforts into personally discrediting Cameron himself. To turn the vote into are you with/against Cameron.
All the 'get out of the EU' campaign needs to do is ask people to look at the state of all the countries already in - their economies, their opinions on the immigration that is happening, their jobs market, the total lack of integration or desire for it etc etc. Then you'll have the answer - the argument has been made.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Guybrush said:
All the 'get out of the EU' campaign needs to do is ask people to look at the state of all the countries already in - their economies, their opinions on the immigration that is happening, their jobs market, the total lack of integration or desire for it etc etc. Then you'll have the answer - the argument has been made.
to some extent yes..

I think the immigration argument has already been won, time to talk economics and jobs now.

Redcar is a prime example, then expand this on to energy policy and how the EU is screwing that.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Scuffers said:
Guybrush said:
All the 'get out of the EU' campaign needs to do is ask people to look at the state of all the countries already in - their economies, their opinions on the immigration that is happening, their jobs market, the total lack of integration or desire for it etc etc. Then you'll have the answer - the argument has been made.
to some extent yes..

I think the immigration argument has already been won, time to talk economics and jobs now.

Redcar is a prime example, then expand this on to energy policy and how the EU is screwing that.
And for those who want things nationalised (mainly Corbyn etc), well you can't do that in the EU.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Cross-party UK EU exit group launches

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34478008

The two groups, Vote Leave and Leave.EU, have had talks and may eventually join forces, but for now they are being run as separate campaigns.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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alfie2244 said:
Cross-party UK EU exit group launches

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34478008

The two groups, Vote Leave and Leave.EU, have had talks and may eventually join forces, but for now they are being run as separate campaigns.
Lead by Conservatives. Are they going to want to kick their own leader very much?

brenflys777

2,678 posts

176 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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I feel much more optimistic about an EU exit seeing the range of people involved in fronting and backing the Vote Leave campaign. My only concern is that some of UKIPs personalities like Farage will be unwilling to play second fiddle to apparent late comers to the exit campaign.

The main thing for me is that we exit with our democracy intact, reassert national authority over policy and before the EU becomes too entangled to leave.

Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 9th October 01:43

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Farage on fine form conducting EU parliament - getting applause and cheers, Hollande & Merkel sitting stoney faced like someone slapped them with a wet kipper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeFfiYgcro

ninjacost

980 posts

221 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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pure class :-)

Mr GrimNasty said:
Farage on fine form conducting EU parliament - getting applause and cheers, Hollande & Merkel sitting stoney faced like someone slapped them with a wet kipper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeFfiYgcro

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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brenflys777 said:
I feel much more optimistic about an EU exit seeing the range of people involved in fronting and backing the Vote Leave campaign. My only concern is that some of UKIPs personalities like Farage will be unwilling to play second fiddle to apparent late comers to the exit campaign.

The main thing for me is that we exit with our democracy intact, reassert national authority over policy and before the EU becomes too entangled to leave.

Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 9th October 01:43
To be fair there would not be a referendum if it were not for UKIP / Farage so I would understand their reluctance. Hopefully they will put their personal ambitions aside for the greater good....infighting between the different 'OUT'factions will be exactly what CMD and his "IN" cohorts are hoping for.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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alfie2244 said:
To be fair there would not be a referendum if it were not for UKIP / Farage so I would understand their reluctance. Hopefully they will put their personal ambitions aside for the greater good....infighting between the different 'OUT'factions will be exactly what CMD and his "IN" cohorts are hoping for.
Farage has said that the referendum is more important to him than UKIP.

Harry H

3,379 posts

155 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Esseesse said:
Farage has said that the referendum is more important to him than UKIP.
If only he weren't a politician. We might be able to believe him then.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Harry H said:
Esseesse said:
Farage has said that the referendum is more important to him than UKIP.
If only he weren't a politician. We might be able to believe him then.
problem with that view is this.

Anybody that's involved with the campaign is a politician by definition.

At what point do you suggest that somebody getting involved publically is/is not a politician?


steveT350C

6,728 posts

160 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Politicians arguing as to which Party is more anti-EU. Love it!

'Labour MP Kate Hoey: Why leaving the EU is a left-wing move'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-mp-kate...

b2hbm

1,291 posts

221 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Farage on fine form conducting EU parliament - getting applause and cheers, Hollande & Merkel sitting stoney faced like someone slapped them with a wet kipper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeFfiYgcro
The look on Merkel's face during that speech is priceless, almost worth our annual subsidy. Or maybe not....

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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steveT350C said:
Politicians arguing as to which Party is more anti-EU. Love it!

'Labour MP Kate Hoey: Why leaving the EU is a left-wing move'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-mp-kate...
with all the media trying to make a big deal of the different out campaign groups, Farage's speech just demonstrates the point that he simply is the best front-man we have.

no auto-cue bullst written by somebody 20+ years ago, a speaker who can actually speak, make the point and get it across clearly and effectively.

Realistically, who else is there on the 'OUT' side that is as effective a communicator?

(this is not to suggest others should not be joining in, just that all the bullst about who should lead etc is somewhat pointless)


steveT350C

6,728 posts

160 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Scuffers said:
Realistically, who else is there on the 'OUT' side that is as effective a communicator?
Dan Hannan is the only other person I can think of.
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