The 'No to the EU' campaign

[brenflys777]

steveT350C said:

Scuffers said:

Realistically, who else is there on the 'OUT' side that is as effective a communicator?

Dan Hannan is the only other person I can think of.

Farage has had great exposure, even with recent events I think it's highly unlikely he's the right person to convince undecided & new voters.

Considering the importance of support across the spectrum I'd love to see a triumvirate of Hannan, Carswell & Danczuk.

United appearances might do more to dispel the nonsense about EU exit being a right wing cause, even the Greens lone MP endorsed the new exit group.

[Scuffers]

steveT350C said:

Dan Hannan is the only other person I can think of.

agreed, but he seems somewhat reticent to say anything for the no campaign?

[steveT350C]

Scuffers said:

steveT350C said:

Dan Hannan is the only other person I can think of.

agreed, but he seems somewhat reticent to say anything for the no campaign?

He is quite vocal, daily, on Twitter...

@DanHannanMEP: What the hell are we doing in the EU?

[Scuffers]

steveT350C said:

He is quite vocal, daily, on Twitter...

@DanHannanMEP: What the hell are we doing in the EU?

as CMD pointed out the other day, twitter <> voting public

[steveT350C]

Scuffers said:

steveT350C said:

He is quite vocal, daily, on Twitter...

@DanHannanMEP: What the hell are we doing in the EU?

as CMD pointed out the other day, twitter <> voting public

Well CMD is 100% wrong according to a quick poll I just had with the voting public in my lounge.

For me, Twitter is a way of receiving and sharing news immediately from whatever source I have chosen. Must admit it did take me quite a while to learn how to get the best out of it, but once I understood it, never looked back.

ETa, breaking news, I seen it first via Twitter.... http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/611100/Winte...

Edited by steveT350C on Friday 9th October 20:24

[steveT350C]

Tomorrow's FT, courtesy of Twitter
Under the splash, I notice... 'former M&S boss to lead 'in' campaign.'

I am guessing that will be Stuart Rose, who has been sniffing around Westminster for quite a while.

[dandarez]

steveT350C said:

Tomorrow's FT, courtesy of Twitter
Under the splash, I notice... 'former M&S boss to lead 'in' campaign.'

I am guessing that will be Stuart Rose, who has been sniffing around Westminster for quite a while.

It certainly is.
GOOD!

Early 2014 he was enlisted to advise the government how to stop and turn around failing hospitals and a failing NHS.

He gets to lead the 'in' campaign today, the same time as results for the dreadful NHS finances appear.

Need I say more?
I will... M&S time, useless.
NHS turnaround, abject failure.
Rose leads the 'in' campaign.
GOOD! (for the 'out' campaign!)

[steveT350C]

Stuart Rose interview back in April. He does not seem that bothered about economic implications of Brexit and the fear that companies will move out of UK...

https://corporate.sky.com/media-centre/media-packs...

[FiF]

Certainly feeling much more optimistic about an out vote but it can still go either way.

Carswell writes in the Telegraph about him throwing in for an out campaign, not that his opinion for in/out was in any doubt.
link

In that article is reference to Reebok founder Joe Foster on the out campaign. Someone was doing a list somewhere of business leaders in support of out. Should Foster be on it?

[steveT350C]

He is now!

From telegraph article linked above...

85% of 28,606 votes in favour of leaving EU


here's a start on the 'out' list. No politicians.


Jeff Immelt, Chief Exec of GE – ‘Britain’s Place in the EU does not matter’

Antonio Simoes, Chief Excec HSBC UK – Brexit would make no difference to bank’s plans

Tim Tozer, MD Vauxhall – EU referendum a “good thing”, Brexit “ won’t affect the way we invest in this country and run our business in it”

Sir Rocco Forte, British Hotelier – Brexit “wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference”. European project ”a complete disaster”.

Sir James Dyson, Inventor – the EU “dominated and bullied by the Germans”

Lord Bamford, Boss of JCB – "no fear leaving the EU" "negotiate as our country rather than being one of 28 nations".

Nigel Wilson, Chief Excec, L&G - "My personal view is the EU has simply got too big now and it's very difficult to work with." "I'd like to see us turn outward more towards the world,"

Jim Mellon, entrepreneur (Britain's Warren Buffett) - “I believe that as a result there is going to be a cataclysmic implosion of the eurozone at some time in the next five, 10 or 15 years

Joe Foster, founder of Reebok - "We have sent billions to the EU each year and got little in return."

Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 10th October 11:14

[FiF]

Thanks Steve, didn't look far enough back in the thread to find the list due to a bout of idle-itis. Link below to the full piece.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Personally I have one problem with his statement in that many of the regulations about which he complains, whilst they come through the EU, actually originate in supranational bodies such as the UNECE as but one example. Against that we have no voice with these bodies apart from our fair (?) share from the EU voice. Which means effectively we have no voice really, and the EU is just an expensive unnecessary layer.

[Pan Pan Pan]

As posted on another thread. Because there seems to be several different NO campaigns on the go at the moment, people must be wary that this is not just a ploy to split the NO votes into smaller factions, none of which is then large enough to beat a unified, single YES campaign. A typical divide and conquer approach.
The main task for those of us who want out, is to make sure we sit behind just ONE of the NO campaigns (whichever that is) to make sure that overall the will of the majority is known.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 10th October 12:02

[Pan Pan Pan]

Scuffers said:

steveT350C said:

Politicians arguing as to which Party is more anti-EU. Love it!

'Labour MP Kate Hoey: Why leaving the EU is a left-wing move'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-mp-kate...

with all the media trying to make a big deal of the different out campaign groups, Farage's speech just demonstrates the point that he simply is the best front-man we have.

no auto-cue bullst written by somebody 20+ years ago, a speaker who can actually speak, make the point and get it across clearly and effectively.

Realistically, who else is there on the 'OUT' side that is as effective a communicator?

(this is not to suggest others should not be joining in, just that all the bullst about who should lead etc is somewhat pointless)

Has Mr Farage`s speech been shown on any of the TV news channels? Like the BBC for example? I don't know, but my guess would be, not a chance.

[PRTVR]

Pan Pan Pan said:

As posted on another thread. Because there seems to be several different NO campaigns on the go at the moment, people must be wary that this is not just a ploy to split the NO votes into smaller factions, none of which is then large enough to beat a unified, single YES campaign. A typical divide and conquer approach.
The main task for those of us who want out, is to make sure we sit behind just ONE of the NO campaigns (whichever that is) to make sure that overall the will of the majority is known.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 10th October 12:02

I am not so sure, could not multiple out campaigns give the impression that there is more weight behind the out campaign, also each different group may appeal to different votes due to the different focus they have.

[Scuffers]

PRTVR said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

As posted on another thread. Because there seems to be several different NO campaigns on the go at the moment, people must be wary that this is not just a ploy to split the NO votes into smaller factions, none of which is then large enough to beat a unified, single YES campaign. A typical divide and conquer approach.
The main task for those of us who want out, is to make sure we sit behind just ONE of the NO campaigns (whichever that is) to make sure that overall the will of the majority is known.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 10th October 12:02

I am not so sure, could not multiple out campaigns give the impression that there is more weight behind the out campaign, also each different group may appeal to different votes due to the different focus they have.

more to the point, with a simple IN/OUT referendum, how can you split the vote?

[davepoth]

One question I've been turning over in my head is "which way will the SNP be campaigning?". They have a lot to gain from a Brexit, even though they want to stay in the EU.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Scuffers said:

PRTVR said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

As posted on another thread. Because there seems to be several different NO campaigns on the go at the moment, people must be wary that this is not just a ploy to split the NO votes into smaller factions, none of which is then large enough to beat a unified, single YES campaign. A typical divide and conquer approach.
The main task for those of us who want out, is to make sure we sit behind just ONE of the NO campaigns (whichever that is) to make sure that overall the will of the majority is known.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 10th October 12:02

I am not so sure, could not multiple out campaigns give the impression that there is more weight behind the out campaign, also each different group may appeal to different votes due to the different focus they have.

more to the point, with a simple IN/OUT referendum, how can you split the vote?

I guess at this point in time I just don't trust those organizing the referendum to handle it fairly (like so many country / EU voting episodes we have seen in the past), and was just voicing concerns that it might come down to a, for example:
20 million votes for the governments YES campaign, 16 million votes for the leave the union NO campaign, and 12 million votes for the UKIP`s NO campaign. We are pleased to announce that the governmenst YES campaign wins, as it has 4 million more votes than the leave the union NO campaign, and 8 million more votes than UKIPs NO campaign.
Just a thought / worry, but I would not put it past the EU doing `something' to engineer the vote `they' want, by which time it could be too late for us to do anything about it.

[FiF]

Another one for the above list.



SIR – Hear, hear for James Dyson.Whether it is the vacuum that we clean our home with, the currency we have in our pocket or the cane sugar we bake our cake with, it is about time Europe let Britain be itself. Far too often Brussels, under pressure from protectionist voices in the big member states, sets the rules to act against Britain’s interests. Europe needs to reform so that, if Britain wants to do things differently, it can.
Gerald Mason
Senior Vice President,
Tate & Lyle Sugars
London WC2

[Pan Pan Pan]

I asked the question earlier, Has anyone seen Mr Farages recent speech at the Brussels assembly on the main media channels, but it seems that the answer could be no.
Possibly it was too accurate and truthful for the general public to be allowed to see it across the board? If it was not shown on general media stations such the BBC, ITV etc, I would just ask why not? It was relevant to the matter surely?

[FiF]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Scuffers said:

PRTVR said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

As posted on another thread. Because there seems to be several different NO campaigns on the go at the moment, people must be wary that this is not just a ploy to split the NO votes into smaller factions, none of which is then large enough to beat a unified, single YES campaign. A typical divide and conquer approach.
The main task for those of us who want out, is to make sure we sit behind just ONE of the NO campaigns (whichever that is) to make sure that overall the will of the majority is known.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 10th October 12:02

I am not so sure, could not multiple out campaigns give the impression that there is more weight behind the out campaign, also each different group may appeal to different votes due to the different focus they have.

more to the point, with a simple IN/OUT referendum, how can you split the vote?

I guess at this point in time I just don't trust those organizing the referendum to handle it fairly (like so many country / EU voting episodes we have seen in the past), and was just voicing concerns that it might come down to a, for example:
20 million votes for the governments YES campaign, 16 million votes for the leave the union NO campaign, and 12 million votes for the UKIP`s NO campaign. We are pleased to announce that the governmenst YES campaign wins, as it has 4 million more votes than the leave the union NO campaign, and 8 million more votes than UKIPs NO campaign.
Just a thought / worry, but I would not put it past the EU doing `something' to engineer the vote `they' want, by which time it could be too late for us to do anything about it.

We mustn't forget that the IN campaign has one ace up its sleeve, probably the most important card in the pack. Namely the proportion of the electorate who will vote for whatever the Government recommends simply because the Government has recommended it, on the basis that they must know better.

Despite all his posturing Cameron is going to recommend a vote for in, anyone who believes otherwise is naive.

So whilst there may be a lead back in the polls, there's still a significant undecided element, and the sheeple may swing it.