The 'No to the EU' campaign

[///ajd]

FiF said:

///ajd said:

FiF said:

alfie2244 said:

Looks like I'll change my vote now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36171266

And as usual BBC misses the proper story, as covered on here earlier. This abolition of roaming charges is despite the EU not because of the EU. They stalled for ages and have finally been forced to implement under WTO regulations. Earlier posts provide the details and supporting links.

Cool, does that mean roaming charges have been abolished outside the EU too?

They would be great, but sadly its just not true, is it?

You mean like India in 2013 committing to removing roaming charges. African countries followed, alongside Latin America. ASEAN members are set to do likewise. In the United States and the Caribbean, things are also moving in the right direction. That doesn't mean they are already cancelled everywhere else, YET. That claim is just another of your strawmen. Tiresome.

EU taking credit for something that's happening anyway. OECD invoked WTO provisions, particularly section 5(a) of the Annex on Telecommunications.

So it's the way the world is going, no thanks to the EU. Fact. You like facts, except when they're an inconvenient truth for your EU love, when you ignore them.

Calling UK while roaming in india would cost me £2/minute, data is £3/Mb if I used my current phone.

Many EU countries, already same price as UK calls/free.

[John145]

///ajd said:

FiF said:

///ajd said:

FiF said:

alfie2244 said:

Looks like I'll change my vote now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36171266

And as usual BBC misses the proper story, as covered on here earlier. This abolition of roaming charges is despite the EU not because of the EU. They stalled for ages and have finally been forced to implement under WTO regulations. Earlier posts provide the details and supporting links.

Cool, does that mean roaming charges have been abolished outside the EU too?

They would be great, but sadly its just not true, is it?

You mean like India in 2013 committing to removing roaming charges. African countries followed, alongside Latin America. ASEAN members are set to do likewise. In the United States and the Caribbean, things are also moving in the right direction. That doesn't mean they are already cancelled everywhere else, YET. That claim is just another of your strawmen. Tiresome.

EU taking credit for something that's happening anyway. OECD invoked WTO provisions, particularly section 5(a) of the Annex on Telecommunications.

So it's the way the world is going, no thanks to the EU. Fact. You like facts, except when they're an inconvenient truth for your EU love, when you ignore them.

Calling UK while roaming in india would cost me £2/minute, data is £3/Mb if I used my current phone.

Many EU countries, already same price as UK calls/free.

I suppose you are implying the reason for this is solely the eu?

Is it true or not that those who travel to the eu are being subsidised by those who do not?

[Phud]

The whole point of a GSM number is that you can dial anywhere in the world any time, the cost of such is down to each operator and their cross connect charging.

Nothing to do with the EU be we in or out, and if this is the reason to stay in, wow. Shocked you didn't bring up bill shock as a great solution.

I guess it really adds value above and beyond the small cost of membership and how we are told to spend the money we are given back, with the claims that this is the great EU funding when we receive less back that we pay.

[powerstroke]

///ajd said:

Calling UK while roaming in india would cost me £2/minute, data is £3/Mb if I used my current phone.

Many EU countries, already same price as UK calls/free.

maybe you could look at other providers or even get a local sim ??, I know you remain lot struggle to think for yourselves
but really !!!!

Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 30th April 18:31

[///ajd]

powerstroke said:

///ajd said:

Calling UK while roaming in india would cost me £2/minute, data is £3/Mb if I used my current phone.

Many EU countries, already same price as UK calls/free.

maybe you could look at other providers or even get a local sim ??, I know you remain lot struggle to think for yourselves
but really !!!!

Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 30th April 18:31

of course, swap sims - done it many times

glad you agree it makes the - "india roaming is already as cheap as eu roaming since 2013" statement look inaccurate/misleading

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

[powerstroke]

///ajd said:

powerstroke said:

///ajd said:

Calling UK while roaming in india would cost me £2/minute, data is £3/Mb if I used my current phone.

Many EU countries, already same price as UK calls/free.

maybe you could look at other providers or even get a local sim ??, I know you remain lot struggle to think for yourselves
but really !!!!

Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 30th April 18:31

of course, swap sims - done it many times

glad you agree it makes the - "india roaming is already as cheap as eu roaming since 2013" statement look inaccurate/misleading

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

Maybe he was shocked there was something good about the EU even if its not really that important in reality!!! next to the blizzard of ste and associated costs they impose in other ways....... small beer....

[Mr_B]

///ajd said:

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

I think it was some dopey pro-EU MP on Question Time who listed about 3 things the EU had done that were good and off benefit to the British people and proof of how wise it would be to vote remain. Listing reducing roaming charges as one was a tiny bit stupid for 40 years of membership.
Since then I think it's provides something of a laugh.

[FiF]

powerstroke said:

///ajd said:

powerstroke said:

///ajd said:

Calling UK while roaming in india would cost me £2/minute, data is £3/Mb if I used my current phone.

Many EU countries, already same price as UK calls/free.

maybe you could look at other providers or even get a local sim ??, I know you remain lot struggle to think for yourselves
but really !!!!

Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 30th April 18:31

of course, swap sims - done it many times

glad you agree it makes the - "india roaming is already as cheap as eu roaming since 2013" statement look inaccurate/misleading

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

Maybe he was shocked there was something good about the EU even if its not really that important in reality!!! next to the blizzard of ste and associated costs they impose in other ways....... small beer....

Maybe we should be shocked if ///ajd managed to quote someone accurately, because that above isn't what was said, not even close. Still it allows him to throw up a strawman based on something completely different. Tiresome, actually beyond tiresome. Only thing misleading is the misquote, well it wasn't a misquote, more a complete fabrication.

[With these feet]

Its bloody ironic that we are arguing about roaming charges abroad when the majority of users are only affected when they go abroad on holiday. If youre off working then the company should pick up the tab should it not? If indeed you are travelling to the UK to find fame and fortune from further afield - I guess it makes your calls nice and cheap...

Besides, is it not true that the EU dragged it heels and held off instigating this for over 2 years? Hardly championing the consumer...

[Hoofy]

I just heard (might not be true) that many "young people" want us to stay in because they're worried that if we leave we won't be able to travel to Europe. #instagramgeneration

[hidetheelephants]

Mr_B said:

///ajd said:

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

I think it was some dopey pro-EU MP on Question Time who listed about 3 things the EU had done that were good and off benefit to the British people and proof of how wise it would be to vote remain. Listing reducing roaming charges as one was a tiny bit stupid for 40 years of membership.
Since then I think it's provides something of a laugh.

Jess Phillips brought it up, shortly before stating the whole in/out debate bored her to tears.

[whoami]

Hoofy said:

I just heard (might not be true) that many "young people" want us to stay in because they're worried that if we leave we won't be able to travel to Europe. #instagramgeneration

I can well believe that.

Morons.

[Ridgemont]

hidetheelephants said:

Mr_B said:

///ajd said:

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

I think it was some dopey pro-EU MP on Question Time who listed about 3 things the EU had done that were good and off benefit to the British people and proof of how wise it would be to vote remain. Listing reducing roaming charges as one was a tiny bit stupid for 40 years of membership.
Since then I think it's provides something of a laugh.

Jess Phillips brought it up, shortly before stating the whole in/out debate bored her to tears.

Figures quite prominently on Dave's euro pamphlet (page 9).

'From next year, mobile phone roaming charges will be abolished across the EU, saving UK customers up to 38p per minute on calls.'

Feeble.

[With these feet]

Ridgemont said:

hidetheelephants said:

Mr_B said:

///ajd said:

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

I think it was some dopey pro-EU MP on Question Time who listed about 3 things the EU had done that were good and off benefit to the British people and proof of how wise it would be to vote remain. Listing reducing roaming charges as one was a tiny bit stupid for 40 years of membership.
Since then I think it's provides something of a laugh.

Jess Phillips brought it up, shortly before stating the whole in/out debate bored her to tears.

Figures quite prominently on Dave's euro pamphlet (page 9).

'From next year, mobile phone roaming charges will be abolished across the EU, saving UK customers up to 38p per minute on calls.'

Feeble.

Yeah, but it's far more important to be able to check Facebook in Marbs than have a greater say in the countries future.....

[Sylvaforever]

With these feet said:

Ridgemont said:

hidetheelephants said:

Mr_B said:

///ajd said:

remember - a brexiter brought up roaming charges on this thread - why?

I think it was some dopey pro-EU MP on Question Time who listed about 3 things the EU had done that were good and off benefit to the British people and proof of how wise it would be to vote remain. Listing reducing roaming charges as one was a tiny bit stupid for 40 years of membership.
Since then I think it's provides something of a laugh.

Jess Phillips brought it up, shortly before stating the whole in/out debate bored her to tears.

Figures quite prominently on Dave's euro pamphlet (page 9).

'From next year, mobile phone roaming charges will be abolished across the EU, saving UK customers up to 38p per minute on calls.'

Feeble.

Yeah, but it's far more important to be able to check Facebook in Marbs than have a greater say in the countries future.....

Of course it is when for the last 20 odd years you have been brainwashed by firstly the education system and then the media to think small.

[anonymous-user]

Erm Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU yet will have no roaming charges too.

[///ajd]

digimeistter said:

Erm Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU yet will have no roaming charges too.

Erm, but they do pay to be in and benefit from the EFTA, including the four freedoms.

[alfie2244]

hidetheelephants said:

Jess Phillips brought it up, shortly before stating the whole in/out debate bored her to tears.

Was it her that was also worried about not being able to go to Europe on holiday?

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

digimeistter said:

Erm Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU yet will have no roaming charges too.

Erm, but they do pay to be in and benefit from the EFTA, including the four freedoms.

How many ever closer onions do they get for their money?

[davepoth]

I don't get the roaming thing. If the UK wasn't part of the EU it could have unilaterally legislated to stop any mobile company in the UK charging extra for roaming. It would have raised tariffs generally (and that's what will happen EU wide) but they could have done it. Within the EU it would have been impossible since it would have treated UK citizens better than EU ones.