The 'No to the EU' campaign
Discussion
powerstroke said:
souper said:
The Spectator’s Brexit debate
In the largest event in The Spectator’s 188-year history, 2,200 people packed into the Palladium
Dan Hannan, Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey backed Brexit. Whilst Nick Clegg, Liz Kendall and Chuka Umunna argued that Britain was better off remaining a part of the European Union.
If you have 1h.40mins spare http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/watch-the-spe...
Leave won.
Very interesting .. good solid performance from Nigel and Hannan , Liz kendall In the largest event in The Spectator’s 188-year history, 2,200 people packed into the Palladium
Dan Hannan, Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey backed Brexit. Whilst Nick Clegg, Liz Kendall and Chuka Umunna argued that Britain was better off remaining a part of the European Union.
If you have 1h.40mins spare http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/watch-the-spe...
Leave won.
Edited by souper on Sunday 1st May 23:00
had a fair go at it too , Chuka and Clegg were their average 3rd rate selves !!!just crap( I do hope Chucka is the next labour leader!!!)
The real stand out was Kate Hoey with a very interesting take on the EU from a left wing point of view She is really worth listening to, the rest was good but we have heard it all before....
Edited by souper on Monday 2nd May 20:05
///ajd said:
KrissKross said:
An interesting video. Aaron Banks laughing about the state of the national debt at 5:40 seals my opinion of him.Anyway, to look at the 'facts' thay you seem so keen to debate.
1. Mogg makes a cheap shot about BoE not mentioning Brexit as key domestic financial risk. The fact that they consider brexit unlikely is probably the main reason they didn't mention it. Mark Carney was more direct when discussing it specifically.
2. Banks expresses the view that quantitive easing is possibly the biggest risk - no need to argue but that doesn't mean brexit isn't still a massive risk.
3. Banks then seemlessly moves the discussion to immigration - something that most brexiters don't care about according to some on here - mention of 3m immigrants forcing down wages in UK. He makes the point that wages would go up; no mention of business struggling to get resources they need, nor that most SMEs and business support it. No mention on the impact on competitiveness of UK if our cost base goes up, nor does he admit he has employed EU migrants in his own leave.eu campaign. This implies of course they don't want a flexcit and want to tear up the four freedoms asap. And it seems our EU free market access in the process.
4. They then mock the idea that the UK would impose trade tariffs to EU imports - but they are clearly only referring to EU imports, and not what tariffs the EU apply externally - which of coirse would apply given the discussion above.
5. Banks then laughs (like a bit of a tw@t really) at doubling of debt, even though Osbourne has halved UK deficit. I'm no fan of auesterity but the implication is that banks would have been far more ruthless in making cuts, or clearly has no real clue how difficult making govt cuts is.
6. They then really make themselves look daft. Banks jokes about invoking Art 50 straight away, and the even more naive Tice then says it need not take 2 years with right nego team - lets get best from business not civil servants. They then laugh about how long it takes to make agreement with 28 nations, and how it would be much quicker with one nation. EU takes 7 years to 2023 etc. They seem to fail to make the rather obvious connection that they'd still need to negotiate with the EU. And the EU team of civil servants will turn to the 'best from business' and say
a) who the fck are you, bring on my civil servant counterpart
b) this will take as long as we like, not as fast as you think - and on ours terms you naive muppets
They really sound like total amateurs here, have not got a clue how these things work.
7. The final nail is when they admit tariffs would be crippling for farming. They admit that high EU tariffs are killing african farmers, but seem happy for these tariffs to apply to UK farmers! Unbelievable.
KrissKross said:
///ajd said:
Are you still keen to discuss these issues KrissKross & Don?
AJD, please tell me what you do for a living, no detail just a hint would be helpful.My motivation is what is best for the UK, and its GDP, as the economy affects me directly through provision of services, education, NHS etc. No vested interests other than those.
What did you like about the video that you were so keen for me to watch?
I must admit when Banks launched into immigration unprompted I assumed it was some sort of ironic wind up, given how strongly many here were protesting that the reasons for brexit had nothing to do with immigration. And before someone jumps at me again - I was specifically asked by a ph brexiter here to watch a video where brexiters discuss immigration. It is not me bringing up the subject unprompted.
souper said:
powerstroke said:
souper said:
The Spectator’s Brexit debate
In the largest event in The Spectator’s 188-year history, 2,200 people packed into the Palladium
Dan Hannan, Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey backed Brexit. Whilst Nick Clegg, Liz Kendall and Chuka Umunna argued that Britain was better off remaining a part of the European Union.
If you have 1h.40mins spare http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/watch-the-spe...
Leave won.
Very interesting .. good solid performance from Nigel and Hannan , Liz kendall In the largest event in The Spectator’s 188-year history, 2,200 people packed into the Palladium
Dan Hannan, Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey backed Brexit. Whilst Nick Clegg, Liz Kendall and Chuka Umunna argued that Britain was better off remaining a part of the European Union.
If you have 1h.40mins spare http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/watch-the-spe...
Leave won.
Edited by souper on Sunday 1st May 23:00
had a fair go at it too , Chuka and Clegg were their average 3rd rate selves !!!just crap( I do hope Chucka is the next labour leader!!!)
The real stand out was Kate Hoey with a very interesting take on the EU from a left wing point of view She is really worth listening to, the rest was good but we have heard it all before....
Edited by souper on Monday 2nd May 20:05
I saw Kate Hoey on Question Time, and was impressed, and this is another very good performance by her. I will be listening to her a lot closer. My biggest disappointment in this referendum, has been Alan Johnson. A politician that I have a lot of respect for, his views on the EU has somewhat tainted that.
The person who astounds me is Andrew Neil, he has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the political and economic landscape, watching him on the daily politics and this week, holding politicians feet to the fire and keeping them there, is quite refreshing from the usual squirming and avoided answers.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Thoroughly enjoyed that, Chukka and Clegg really were third rate, they would have lost a high school debate on that performance. Hannan and Farage are excellent orators, and know their subject matter, inside out and upside down.
I saw Kate Hoey on Question Time, and was impressed, and this is another very good performance by her. I will be listening to her a lot closer. My biggest disappointment in this referendum, has been Alan Johnson. A politician that I have a lot of respect for, his views on the EU has somewhat tainted that.
The person who astounds me is Andrew Neil, he has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the political and economic landscape, watching him on the daily politics and this week, holding politicians feet to the fire and keeping them there, is quite refreshing from the usual squirming and avoided answers.
Yes I thought the same about Neil he really is excellent at holding the floor. re Kate Hoey for those who are short of time its approx 5mins long, starts here https://youtu.be/uYTJGBBjkGo?t=1208I saw Kate Hoey on Question Time, and was impressed, and this is another very good performance by her. I will be listening to her a lot closer. My biggest disappointment in this referendum, has been Alan Johnson. A politician that I have a lot of respect for, his views on the EU has somewhat tainted that.
The person who astounds me is Andrew Neil, he has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the political and economic landscape, watching him on the daily politics and this week, holding politicians feet to the fire and keeping them there, is quite refreshing from the usual squirming and avoided answers.
Edited by souper on Monday 2nd May 23:26
QuantumTokoloshi said:
What if they all say sod off to him?This referendum is one of the most important decisions we will ever get to make.
https://youtu.be/uYTJGBBjkGo
1/ Where is Cameron, our great leader, I assume Clegg is better at getting the message across to remain?
2/ Why are these debates not shown on mainstream TV at prime time?
https://youtu.be/uYTJGBBjkGo
1/ Where is Cameron, our great leader, I assume Clegg is better at getting the message across to remain?
2/ Why are these debates not shown on mainstream TV at prime time?
eatcustard said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
What if they all say sod off to him?///ajd said:
KrissKross said:
///ajd said:
Are you still keen to discuss these issues KrissKross & Don?
AJD, please tell me what you do for a living, no detail just a hint would be helpful.My motivation is what is best for the UK, and its GDP, as the economy affects me directly through provision of services, education, NHS etc. No vested interests other than those.
What did you like about the video that you were so keen for me to watch?
I must admit when Banks launched into immigration unprompted I assumed it was some sort of ironic wind up, given how strongly many here were protesting that the reasons for brexit had nothing to do with immigration. And before someone jumps at me again - I was specifically asked by a ph brexiter here to watch a video where brexiters discuss immigration. It is not me bringing up the subject unprompted.
KrissKross said:
This referendum is one of the most important decisions we will ever get to make.
https://youtu.be/uYTJGBBjkGo
1/ Where is Cameron, our great leader, I assume Clegg is better at getting the message across to remain?
2/ Why are these debates not shown on mainstream TV at prime time?
Answer to '2': because those wanting us to stay in the disaster zone are managing public 'opinion' as much as they can. Too much open debate of all issues will no doubt increase the (get the hell) Out vote.https://youtu.be/uYTJGBBjkGo
1/ Where is Cameron, our great leader, I assume Clegg is better at getting the message across to remain?
2/ Why are these debates not shown on mainstream TV at prime time?
///ajd said:
///ajd said:
KrissKross said:
///ajd said:
Are you still keen to discuss these issues KrissKross & Don?
AJD, please tell me what you do for a living, no detail just a hint would be helpful.My motivation is what is best for the UK, and its GDP, as the economy affects me directly through provision of services, education, NHS etc. No vested interests other than those.
What did you like about the video that you were so keen for me to watch?
I must admit when Banks launched into immigration unprompted I assumed it was some sort of ironic wind up, given how strongly many here were protesting that the reasons for brexit had nothing to do with immigration. And before someone jumps at me again - I was specifically asked by a ph brexiter here to watch a video where brexiters discuss immigration. It is not me bringing up the subject unprompted.
Perhaps they have better things to do?
Or they've had it, and just want you to go away? ...aerospace engineer.
I'm sure they'll be along sometime. Don't be so impatient - don't you have a viewpoint in the meantime on Herr Junckner and his brilliant notion of imposing a fine PER migrant of 250,000 euros. He is such a clever(dick).
How about you engineer your own disappearance, it has become a pain.
How about taking Junckers with you?
You know what, you could talk out of each other's hats to your heart's content!
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