The 'No to the EU' campaign

[wc98]

turbobloke said:

is this how they are going to pay for it ? http://www.esm.europa.eu/pdf/ESM%20Treaty%20consol...
note content of video, not title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg4goZxXRZk apologies if already covered.

ARTICLE 32
Legal status, privileges and immunities
1. To enable the ESM to fulfil its purpose, the legal status and the privileges and immunities set
out in this Article shall be accorded to the ESM in the territory of each ESM Member. The ESM
shall endeavour to obtain recognition of its legal status and of its privileges and immunities in other
territories in which it performs functions or holds assets.
2. The ESM shall have full legal personality; it shall have full legal capacity to:
(a) acquire and dispose of movable and immovable property;
(b) contract;
(c) be a party to legal proceedings; and
(d) enter into a headquarter agreement and/or protocols as necessary for ensuring that its legal
status and its privileges and immunities are recognised and enforced.
3. The ESM, its property, funding and assets, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall
enjoy immunity from every form of judicial process except to the extent that the ESM expressly
waives its immunity for the purpose of any proceedings or by the terms of any contract, including
the documentation of the funding instruments.
4. The property, funding and assets of the ESM shall, wherever located and by whomsoever
held, be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation or any other form of seizure,
taking or foreclosure by executive, judicial, administrative or legislative action.
5. The archives of the ESM and all documents belonging to the ESM or held by it, shall
be inviolable.
6. The premises of the ESM shall be inviolable.
7. The official communications of the ESM shall be accorded by each ESM Member and by
each state which has recognised the legal status and the privileges and immunities of the ESM, the
same treatment as it accords to the official communications of an ESM Member.
8. To the extent necessary to carry out the activities provided for in this Treaty, all property,
funding and assets of the ESM shall be free from restrictions, regulations, controls and moratoria of
any nature.
9. The ESM shall be exempted from any requirement to be authorised or licensed as a credit
institution, investment services provider or other authorised licensed or regulated entity under the
laws of each ESM Member.



ARTICLE 34
Professional secrecy
The Members or former Members of the Board of Governors and of the Board of Directors and any
other persons who work or have worked for or in connection with the ESM shall not disclose
information that is subject to professional secrecy. They shall be required, even after their duties
have ceased, not to disclose information of the kind covered by the obligation of
professional secrecy.

ARTICLE 35
Immunities of persons
1. In the interest of the ESM, the Chairperson of the Board of Governors, Governors, alternate
Governors, Directors, alternate Directors, as well as the Managing Director and other staff members
shall be immune from legal proceedings with respect to acts performed by them in their official
capacity and shall enjoy inviolability in respect of their official papers and documents.


really looks like open and transparent governance and bureaucracy eh ?

Edited by wc98 on Wednesday 4th May 17:23

[Legend83]

Hosenbugler said:

You are saying it cannot be changed? Cannot be forced by treaty change? You are not being truthfull.

Hardly surprising, you are the loathsome creep who reports people you disagree with. Get off my back, stalker.

Now now, do we need to resort to insults?

[Sam All]

Legend83 said:

Hosenbugler said:

You are saying it cannot be changed? Cannot be forced by treaty change? You are not being truthfull.

Hardly surprising, you are the loathsome creep who reports people you disagree with. Get off my back, stalker.

Now now, do we need to resort to insults?

legend83 makes a fair point - no need for insults

Often I do not agree with Zod, but always welcome his opinion.

[Zod]

Hosenbugler said:

Zod said:

Hosenbugler said:

Legend83 said:

Interesting thanks.

It should be in mind though , that as we are now effectively in a minority of one, should a majority of states via treaty change, or other mechanism, wish to change those parameters , then there is nothing we can do about it, aside leave the EU, of course.

No, because this is an area subject to unanimity.. We are not in a minoity of one on this issue, in any case. Denmark and Irleland enjoy the same opt-out.

You are saying it cannot be changed? Cannot be forced by treaty change? You are not being truthfull.

Hardly surprising, you are the loathsome creep who reports people you disagree with. Get off my back, stalker.

So, do you want an answer or not, you excitable individual?

You get all excited and accuse me of lying? Risible.As for stalking you, you are responding to my point! I haven't thought about your existence since the last time you got all excited.

Do you know what a treaty is? A treat canot be imposed on a country. Treaties require agreement of all signatories. They are contracts between nations.

[Zod]

Sam All said:

Legend83 said:

Hosenbugler said:

You are saying it cannot be changed? Cannot be forced by treaty change? You are not being truthfull.

Hardly surprising, you are the loathsome creep who reports people you disagree with. Get off my back, stalker.

Now now, do we need to resort to insults?

legend83 makes a fair point - no need for insults

Often I do not agree with Zod, but always welcome his opinion.

Not always, I'm sure!

[///ajd]

I thought this wasn't about immigration. LOL!

KrissKross, given how much you and Don badgered me to watch your video, your refusal to discuss the points raised is rather lame. I thought you might have more confidence in your ability to debate the issues, but it looks like this is not the case.

[turbobloke]

///ajd said:

I thought this wasn't about immigration. LOL!

Wasn't there a recent link to a national poll about who's focusing on the make-believe economic aspects and who's focusing on immigration? Was it funny enough to lol?

To a lot of people it's about immigration, that issue alone will secure a lot of Leave votes in June.

Why would you consider excluding immigration...some PHers don't consider it their main reason for voting Out but it's a major issue for millions of voters nationally.

As the EU continues to mismanage its response to the refugee crisis it will only become a bigger issue (nationally).

[v8250]

For your evening's pleasure...

https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/94...

[Sam All]

v8250 said:

For your evening's pleasure...

https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/94...

And no mention of immigration, or banking.

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

Sam All said:

Legend83 said:

Hosenbugler said:

You are saying it cannot be changed? Cannot be forced by treaty change? You are not being truthfull.

Hardly surprising, you are the loathsome creep who reports people you disagree with. Get off my back, stalker.

Now now, do we need to resort to insults?

legend83 makes a fair point - no need for insults

Often I do not agree with Zod, but always welcome his opinion.

Not always, I'm sure!

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

[///ajd]

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Your ongoing and plainly deliberate inability to say anything remotely interesting or relevant is really becoming unbelievably tedious.

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Your ongoing and plainly deliberate inability to say anything remotely interesting or relevant is really becoming unbelievably tedious.

Why don't you pi55 off as well then?

[Einion Yrth]

alfie2244 said:

///ajd said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Your ongoing and plainly deliberate inability to say anything remotely interesting or relevant is really becoming unbelievably tedious.

Why don't you pi55 off as well then?

To be fair, it's either a direct quote of something I directed at him, or fairly close. Fair play, I have broad shoulders.

[///ajd]

alfie2244 said:

///ajd said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Your ongoing and plainly deliberate inability to say anything remotely interesting or relevant is really becoming unbelievably tedious.

Why don't you pi55 off as well then?

Oh, let him tell me alfie, it'll cement his erudite credentials .

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

alfie2244 said:

///ajd said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Your ongoing and plainly deliberate inability to say anything remotely interesting or relevant is really becoming unbelievably tedious.

Why don't you pi55 off as well then?

Oh, let him tell me alfie, it'll cement his erudite credentials .

[Einion Yrth]

///ajd said:

alfie2244 said:

///ajd said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Your ongoing and plainly deliberate inability to say anything remotely interesting or relevant is really becoming unbelievably tedious.

Why don't you pi55 off as well then?

Oh, let him tell me alfie, it'll cement his erudite credentials .

I didn't, however, tell you anything; that one was directed at Zod, with whom I have a rather longer "disagreement" than I have with you. Who knows, perhaps you'll hang around to irritate me as much as he does. I'll still support your right to your opinion though, even if I do, semi privately, think you're a ...

[Zod]

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

Sam All said:

Legend83 said:

Hosenbugler said:

You are saying it cannot be changed? Cannot be forced by treaty change? You are not being truthfull.

Hardly surprising, you are the loathsome creep who reports people you disagree with. Get off my back, stalker.

Now now, do we need to resort to insults?

legend83 makes a fair point - no need for insults

Often I do not agree with Zod, but always welcome his opinion.

Not always, I'm sure!

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

How kind!

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

How kind!

It seems unlikely that we'll ever be friends, but I'd like to think we could extend each other that minor courtesy.

[Zod]

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

How kind!

It seems unlikely that we'll ever be friends, but I'd like to think we could extend each other that minor courtesy.

The thing is that most of us want the same thing: to avoid damage to out country. It's just that we have very different ideas of what is likely to damage it.

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

Einion Yrth said:

Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.

How kind!

It seems unlikely that we'll ever be friends, but I'd like to think we could extend each other that minor courtesy.

The thing is that most of us want the same thing: to avoid damage to out country. It's just that we have very different ideas of what is likely to damage it.

We have a point of agreement, which at the same moment is the crux of a lot of our disagreement. At the end of next month one of us ( I, sadly, suspect it will be me ), will just have to suck it up and get on with it. If (when) "remain|" wins I just hope I am wrong about the EU, because I don't think you would like what I see it trying to become, either.