The 'No to the EU' campaign
Discussion
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.
How kind!Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.
How kind!EU army next is it? Just as predicted it would happen.
Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
M-6fhs1 said:
EU army next is it? Just as predicted it would happen.
Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
Nahh , not till the fkers get us involved in a war with Russia Then they will wake up !!!!Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
powerstroke said:
M-6fhs1 said:
EU army next is it? Just as predicted it would happen.
Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
Nahh , not till the fkers get us involved in a war with Russia Then they will wake up !!!!Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
alfie2244 said:
powerstroke said:
M-6fhs1 said:
EU army next is it? Just as predicted it would happen.
Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
Nahh , not till the fkers get us involved in a war with Russia Then they will wake up !!!!Globalist elite preparing the next stage of their control agenda. Brainwashed remainers just cannot seem to see where this project is heading.
One superstate, one currency, one army, one police force, one justice system, one welfare system, all media and Internet controlled by the powers that be, endless supply of propaganda, no elections the list goes on.
Did we sign up to this st in the first place ? Did we fk
People need to start waking up
Einion Yrth said:
We have a point of agreement, which at the same moment is the crux of a lot of our disagreement. At the end of next month one of us ( I, sadly, suspect it will be me ), will just have to suck it up and get on with it. If (when) "remain|" wins I just hope I am wrong about the EU, because I don't think you would like what I see it trying to become, either.
I'm not so sure right now you need to be so pessimistic. Take a look at the most recent polls after the effluent that has been sprayed at the leave campaign and we're still neck and neck (you gov latest). There's still around 11-14% undecided. It's not like for like but in the scotref things were not this tight and most of the undecideds ended up breaking for Yes in the end. And the thing with this ref is that it's a damn sight more dynamic in that all it takes is a stupid US intervention or a headbanging decision from Brussels and public opinion will shift. This one is going down to the wire Ridgemont said:
Einion Yrth said:
We have a point of agreement, which at the same moment is the crux of a lot of our disagreement. At the end of next month one of us ( I, sadly, suspect it will be me ), will just have to suck it up and get on with it. If (when) "remain|" wins I just hope I am wrong about the EU, because I don't think you would like what I see it trying to become, either.
I'm not so sure right now you need to be so pessimistic. Take a look at the most recent polls after the effluent that has been sprayed at the leave campaign and we're still neck and neck (you gov latest). There's still around 11-14% undecided. It's not like for like but in the scotref things were not this tight and most of the undecideds ended up breaking for Yes in the end. And the thing with this ref is that it's a damn sight more dynamic in that all it takes is a stupid US intervention or a headbanging decision from Brussels and public opinion will shift. This one is going down to the wire However do agree that it just takes one stupid intervention or loopy EU incident and it will change things markedly. Equally if Leave up their game, and stop flailing about with IMO no coherent plan, leave Alliance excepted obviously, but then I would say that, then that could shift matters. Basically shift up a gear is what I'm saying, but reckon that Remain have no more gears left in the box, to keep it vaguely in PH terminology.
Of course could be wildly out.
Not noticed any comments on here about Arron Banks, loser in the designation stakes, restructuring their campaign to get round the 700k funding limits. Personally be happier if he threw the money more sensibly, but if Dave can chuck 9.3m of public money behind that leaflet, then why not.
FiF said:
Equally if Leave up their game, and stop flailing about with IMO no coherent plan, leave Alliance excepted obviously, but then I would say that, then that could shift matters.
I'm not convinced that's a good idea. Mainly because any leave plan drawn up now would have less weight than Cameron's renegotiation stay plan but also because any bickering from however few the media can get hold of over it would just detract from the actual question posed. I suspect it's a deliberate strategy not to provide too coherent a straw man.Funkycoldribena said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.
How kind!I'm waiting to see how the polls look following the upcoming announcement of the actual number of National Insurance Numbers issued to EU migrants versus what rubbish the Govt has been feeding us in their statistics.
Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
Sam All said:
v8250 said:
And no mention of immigration, or banking. My take on things is simply this: When the main players in the 'world' economy were the USA and Europe, it did make sense to be aligned with the EU.
That was then, this - the emergence of China and India as major economic powers - is now, and what we will be voting for, later this year, is not for the past or today but the future.
The image below (Taken from MOD, Global Strategic Trends) shows the estimated projection for the global economic centre of gravity in 2045. I don't for one minute doubt the direction - the only uncertainty is really the magnitude of the shift, but given what we know of economic growth potential in Asia, it is certainly happening.
Tony427 said:
I'm waiting to see how the polls look following the upcoming announcement of the actual number of National Insurance Numbers issued to EU migrants versus what rubbish the Govt has been feeding us in their statistics.
Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
It will be deemed as racist to even mention it. Probably...Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
Digga said:
Actually makes a very good case for Brexit and puts a few basic facts on the table that might help stop some of the sheeple from panicking so much.
My take on things is simply this: When the main players in the 'world' economy were the USA and Europe, it did make sense to be aligned with the EU.
That was then, this - the emergence of China and India as major economic powers - is now, and what we will be voting for, later this year, is not for the past or today but the future.
The image below (Taken from MOD, Global Strategic Trends) shows the estimated projection for the global economic centre of gravity in 2045. I don't for one minute doubt the direction - the only uncertainty is really the magnitude of the shift, but given what we know of economic growth potential in Asia, it is certainly happening.
The trend, on the ground, is clear to see - the Tigers are turning into dragons. Now it is as much about China sneezing and world to shudderMy take on things is simply this: When the main players in the 'world' economy were the USA and Europe, it did make sense to be aligned with the EU.
That was then, this - the emergence of China and India as major economic powers - is now, and what we will be voting for, later this year, is not for the past or today but the future.
The image below (Taken from MOD, Global Strategic Trends) shows the estimated projection for the global economic centre of gravity in 2045. I don't for one minute doubt the direction - the only uncertainty is really the magnitude of the shift, but given what we know of economic growth potential in Asia, it is certainly happening.
chris watton said:
Tony427 said:
I'm waiting to see how the polls look following the upcoming announcement of the actual number of National Insurance Numbers issued to EU migrants versus what rubbish the Govt has been feeding us in their statistics.
Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
It will be deemed as racist to even mention it. Probably...Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
Dont trust the politicians. At least if they are our MPs we can tell them to fek off at a General Election. With the EU we can only whisper 1 in 28 to fek off to them.
superlightr said:
chris watton said:
Tony427 said:
I'm waiting to see how the polls look following the upcoming announcement of the actual number of National Insurance Numbers issued to EU migrants versus what rubbish the Govt has been feeding us in their statistics.
Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
It will be deemed as racist to even mention it. Probably...Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
Dont trust the politicians. At least if they are our MPs we can tell them to fek off at a General Election. With the EU we can only whisper 1 in 28 to fek off to them.
528Sport said:
superlightr said:
chris watton said:
Tony427 said:
I'm waiting to see how the polls look following the upcoming announcement of the actual number of National Insurance Numbers issued to EU migrants versus what rubbish the Govt has been feeding us in their statistics.
Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
It will be deemed as racist to even mention it. Probably...Undecided voters will then see just how the govt has been deceiving the public, they will see that the situation re migration is indeed in crisis and far worse than they have been told and maybe, just maybe the sheep will rebel.
Just how is Cameron et al going to spin this one?
The media will have a field day.
Cheers,
Tony
Dont trust the politicians. At least if they are our MPs we can tell them to fek off at a General Election. With the EU we can only whisper 1 in 28 to fek off to them.
Digga said:
Sam All said:
v8250 said:
And no mention of immigration, or banking. My take on things is simply this: When the main players in the 'world' economy were the USA and Europe, it did make sense to be aligned with the EU.
That was then, this - the emergence of China and India as major economic powers - is now, and what we will be voting for, later this year, is not for the past or today but the future.
The image below (Taken from MOD, Global Strategic Trends) shows the estimated projection for the global economic centre of gravity in 2045. I don't for one minute doubt the direction - the only uncertainty is really the magnitude of the shift, but given what we know of economic growth potential in Asia, it is certainly happening.
Zod said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Einion Yrth said:
Mostly I wish you'd p155 off, but you're entitled to your opinion.
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