The 'No to the EU' campaign

[Zod]

turbobloke said:

Posting Daily Express headlines is never a good idea.

[turbobloke]

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Posting Daily Express headlines is never a good idea.

IIRC it was posted in News, Politics & Economics. It's news about politics with economic consequences as well as social ramifications.

The thread is about the EU and so's the headline.

So, a good idea to post in fact

[Sam All]

turbobloke said:

Not yet, but this is not part of the race to the top for Europe.

[FiF]

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Posting Daily Express headlines is never a good idea.

IIRC it was posted in News, Politics & Economics. It's news about politics with economic consequences as well as social ramifications.

The thread is about the EU and so's the headline.

So, a good idea to post in fact

Not to mention Remainder tactic of attacking the source whilst having nothing to say about the content. Now where is that hypocrisy meter?

[Zod]

FiF said:

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Posting Daily Express headlines is never a good idea.

IIRC it was posted in News, Politics & Economics. It's news about politics with economic consequences as well as social ramifications.

The thread is about the EU and so's the headline.

So, a good idea to post in fact

Not to mention Remainder tactic of attacking the source whilst having nothing to say about the content. Now where is that hypocrisy meter?

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

[Sam All]

Zod said:

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

Erdogan is more in Merkel's panties than ever before and it seems he is negotiating pretty well and visa free travel to non Schengen Europe could become a reality by the end of June.

What Merkel (& her Turkish voters) desires , she will likely get.

And do you think the Muslim population will expand in the UK and Europe in the coming years?

[Zod]

Sam All said:

Zod said:

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

Erdogan is more in Merkel's panties than ever before and it seems he is negotiating pretty well and visa free travel to non Schengen Europe could become a reality by the end of June.

What Merkel (& her Turkish voters) desires , she will likely get.

And do you think the Muslim population will expand in the UK and Europe in the coming years?

If Merkel cared that much about Turkish voters, she'd allow them dual Turkish and German citizenship.

[Hugh Jarse]

She must have been to a gym, no way do you get THAT toned from just lifting children.

[Funkycoldribena]

Zod said:

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

If we'd said a couple of years ago Europe will be flooded with refugees/immigrants, countries could be fined for not taking their quota, barbed wire fences were being erected and Hungary would have to have a referendum on numbers to accept you would have said we were all barking mad and full of ste.

[Zod]

Funkycoldribena said:

Zod said:

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

If we'd said a couple of years ago Europe will be flooded with refugees/immigrants, countries could be fined for not taking their quota, barbed wire fences were being erected and Hungary would have to have a referendum on numbers to accept you would have said we were all barking mad and full of ste.

Ah, so you foresaw the whole Syria thing. Such a pity that you are not running the EU Commission.

[Funkycoldribena]

Zod said:

Ah, so you foresaw the whole Syria thing. Such a pity that you are not running the EU Commission.

1.I'm not that crooked.
2.You can foresee the Turkey situation?,you never know what's around the corner with the EU running roughshod over democracy, you should work for Sally.

[Hugh Jarse]

The job of a government is to:

• protect against invasion
• establish law and order
• create functional infrastructure
• provide basic welfare, health provision and education

That's it, everything else is just a drain on tax and our lives burnt away paying that tax.
The EU has failed with number 1.

[FiF]

Zod said:

FiF said:

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Posting Daily Express headlines is never a good idea.

IIRC it was posted in News, Politics & Economics. It's news about politics with economic consequences as well as social ramifications.

The thread is about the EU and so's the headline.

So, a good idea to post in fact

Not to mention Remainder tactic of attacking the source whilst having nothing to say about the content. Now where is that hypocrisy meter?

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

No chance of Turkey joining the EU, but thought the issue was opening visa free travel to the Schengen zone when the EU has no system to track those who have 'overstayed'. No system, other than a rubber stamp in the passport, and no means to share information.

Which makes your point slightly off target. As for you posting evidence and arguments, occasionally you do, true often incorrect ones unfortunately.

[wiggy001]

Zod said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Zod said:

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

If we'd said a couple of years ago Europe will be flooded with refugees/immigrants, countries could be fined for not taking their quota, barbed wire fences were being erected and Hungary would have to have a referendum on numbers to accept you would have said we were all barking mad and full of ste.

Ah, so you foresaw the whole Syria thing. Such a pity that you are not running the EU Commission.

No. None of us did. Which is why your complacency over Turkey is obscene. Surely we must look to history to understand the future?

And as I've asked before: how do I and the rest of the British people vote against Turkey's membership if we find in 5 years that they look like they are going to be able to join?

Or a simpler question about the here and now: how do I vote against Turkey's visa-free travel arrangement that is being put in place as we speak?

[Crush]

A friend of mine is at risk of losing his job (moving all the work to the Netherlands with final decision to be made next month). They had a message on the company work page from the directors begging the staff to vote 'stay'. You can imagine the comments posted by the staff

[turbobloke]

wiggy001 said:

And as I've asked before: how do I and the rest of the British people vote against Turkey's membership if we find in 5 years that they look like they are going to be able to join?

Or a simpler question about the here and now: how do I vote against Turkey's visa-free travel arrangement that is being put in place as we speak?

Good questions.

"Under the terms of the 'one in one out' deal - which came into force in March - for every 'irregular migrant' returned from Greece to Turkey, the EU will take in a Syrian refugee from Turkish camps."

"Brussels also promised extra cash to Turkey to deal with the influx of refugees from its neighbouring state, while the country will see its EU membership bid fast-tracked."

[Zod]

FiF said:

No chance of Turkey joining the EU, but thought the issue was opening visa free travel to the Schengen zone when the EU has no system to track those who have 'overstayed'. No system, other than a rubber stamp in the passport, and no means to share information.

Which makes your point slightly off target. As for you posting evidence and arguments, occasionally you do, true often incorrect ones unfortunately.

In your expert judgement.

[Zod]

turbobloke said:

wiggy001 said:

And as I've asked before: how do I and the rest of the British people vote against Turkey's membership if we find in 5 years that they look like they are going to be able to join?

Or a simpler question about the here and now: how do I vote against Turkey's visa-free travel arrangement that is being put in place as we speak?

Good questions.

"Under the terms of the 'one in one out' deal - which came into force in March - for every 'irregular migrant' returned from Greece to Turkey, the EU will take in a Syrian refugee from Turkish camps."

"Brussels also promised extra cash to Turkey to deal with the influx of refugees from its neighbouring state, while the country will see its EU membership bid fast-tracked."

and these are quotations from what source?

[Mrr T]

wiggy001 said:

No. None of us did. Which is why your complacency over Turkey is obscene. Surely we must look to history to understand the future?

And as I've asked before: how do I and the rest of the British people vote against Turkey's membership if we find in 5 years that they look like they are going to be able to join?

Or a simpler question about the here and now: how do I vote against Turkey's visa-free travel arrangement that is being put in place as we speak?

Besides the fact as Zod has pointed out Turkey are a long way from EU membership. New ascension requires unanimous agreement of all members. So the UK can block Turkey joining at any time.

[Mrr T]

FiF said:

Zod said:

FiF said:

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

turbobloke said:

Posting Daily Express headlines is never a good idea.

IIRC it was posted in News, Politics & Economics. It's news about politics with economic consequences as well as social ramifications.

The thread is about the EU and so's the headline.

So, a good idea to post in fact

Not to mention Remainder tactic of attacking the source whilst having nothing to say about the content. Now where is that hypocrisy meter?

Still banging that drum? I come in here and post evidence and arguments. Most of you just make assertions.

I have explained before why Turkey has no chance whatsoever of joining the EU.

In summary:

France would veto;

Cyprus would veto, unless Turkey agreed to recognise its claim to the whole island;

There are 35 accession chapters to be agreed of which one, the easiest on scientific cooperation, has been agreed. The chapters dealing with matters such as press freedom and human rights are a lost cause;

We can veto.

It doesn't matter how many warm words are expressed and gestures made towards Turkey. It is not joining the EU for at least several decades. Turkey is not going to improve its behaviour. It is just going to get worse, thus making its case more difficult. The super-rich families running the conglomerates are all currently looking to invest as much as possible overseas in case Erdogan decides to start helping himself to their money to shore up his support in Anatolya.

But it suits the Leave side to stoke up fears of Muslim immigrants by claiming that Turkey will soon join the EU.

No chance of Turkey joining the EU, but thought the issue was opening visa free travel to the Schengen zone when the EU has no system to track those who have 'overstayed'. No system, other than a rubber stamp in the passport, and no means to share information.

Which makes your point slightly off target. As for you posting evidence and arguments, occasionally you do, true often incorrect ones unfortunately.

This is about visa free travel to Schengen.

What I cannot see is what this has to do with this tread. An in/out vote will not change this, and I do not believe we will join Schengen.