The 'No to the EU' campaign
Discussion
Esseesse said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Then why are there at least two OUT campaign groups? it should just be one group for OUT and one group for IN.
This has occurred because in theory the two different organisations think they can do the best job of it. There is a question mark over the 'Conservative' campaign as to whether they are sincere or just want the funding/work. Either way I tend to agree that two campaigns might actually be beneficial as they can target different types of people. I hope they are sending plenty of cash to printers etc in advance of funding limitations coming in to effect (if that's allowed).BlackLabel said:
The Daily Politics on Friday said that the funding limitations will apply only to one group on each side. The electoral commission chooses which group to register as a representative of each side and then the others can do as they wish. That seems like an invitation for various groups, on both sides, to abuse the referendum campaigning and funding rules.
Very interesting.... possible route to order a re-run if it goes the wrong way?So the 4 key demands appear to add up to changing the way people talk about the EU to stop those pesky European politicians giving lie to the age old and mostly British deceit that European Union is primarily an economic project when the reality is that it has always been a political venture.
'The Labour campaign to leave the European Union has been launched..
Labour Leave has absolutely no confidence in David Cameron’s renegotiation of our terms of membership. We do not believe the Prime Minister commands enough authority and respect within the European Union to have the capacity to ensure we achieve the fundamental reforms we need'
http://labourlist.org/2015/10/labour-leave-has-no-...
Labour Leave has absolutely no confidence in David Cameron’s renegotiation of our terms of membership. We do not believe the Prime Minister commands enough authority and respect within the European Union to have the capacity to ensure we achieve the fundamental reforms we need'
http://labourlist.org/2015/10/labour-leave-has-no-...
AJS- said:
So the 4 key demands appear to add up to changing the way people talk about the EU to stop those pesky European politicians giving lie to the age old and mostly British deceit that European Union is primarily an economic project when the reality is that it has always been a political venture.
What's interesting is what is missing - any concrete promise on freedom of movement, even though they've been trailing that one pretty hard. It stands to reason that in pre-negotiations, CMD must have been told that these four are at least possible. davepoth said:
What's interesting is what is missing - any concrete promise on freedom of movement, even though they've been trailing that one pretty hard. It stands to reason that in pre-negotiations, CMD must have been told that these four are at least possible.
As per the link above ( This one), these four are already in the pipeline but CMD is going to try and take credit for them.davepoth said:
What's interesting is what is missing - any concrete promise on freedom of movement, even though they've been trailing that one pretty hard. It stands to reason that in pre-negotiations, CMD must have been told that these four are at least possible.
Indeed. They clearly can't do anything about that at an EU level. What I suspect he will do at the right time (Cameron is pretty slick with things like this) is make some grandiose, highly visible gesture on immigration like beefing up passport controls, opening a detention centre or creating a "Border Force" special police unit in the well placed hope that a large lazy section of the public will believe this to be the fruits of his tough negotiating.This is it, I'm voting to stay in.
According to Stuart Rose, head of the 'In' campaign, I personally save £480million a year by being in the EU.
http://order-order.com/2015/10/12/rose-tinted-in-c...
According to Stuart Rose, head of the 'In' campaign, I personally save £480million a year by being in the EU.
http://order-order.com/2015/10/12/rose-tinted-in-c...
steveT350C said:
This is it, I'm voting to stay in.
According to Stuart Rose, head of the 'In' campaign, I personally save £480million a year by being in the EU.
http://order-order.com/2015/10/12/rose-tinted-in-c...
Put in those terms I might have to reconsider. The EU is still rubbish but if I can tough it out 10 more years I'll buy my own country. According to Stuart Rose, head of the 'In' campaign, I personally save £480million a year by being in the EU.
http://order-order.com/2015/10/12/rose-tinted-in-c...
steveT350C said:
This is it, I'm voting to stay in.
According to Stuart Rose, head of the 'In' campaign, I personally save £480million a year by being in the EU.
http://order-order.com/2015/10/12/rose-tinted-in-c...
That sounds suspiciously like the accounting methods used by the (then) Secretary of State for Climate Change, as revealed by Peter Lilley MP in his open letter to DECC (as was).According to Stuart Rose, head of the 'In' campaign, I personally save £480million a year by being in the EU.
http://order-order.com/2015/10/12/rose-tinted-in-c...
The Peter Lilley Open Letter said:
As recently as your last departmental question time on 5th March your Minister of State, Joan Ruddock, suggested to me that the original estimate of potential costs of up to £205 billion might be too high. She said “We are likely to find that the costs, which covered a very large range, were exaggerated…” Yet despite correcting for any previous downward bias the revised figures you have now published are not lower but substantially higher. The bottom of the new range for costs is in fact £324 billion – nearly 60% higher than the highest figure I have been quoting. And the top of the range is now £404 billion.
In other words the government now estimates that the Climate Change Act will cost every household in the country between £16,000 and £20,000 each.
When it comes to your revised estimates of the benefits, however, we enter Alice in Wonderland territory. Even though costs have broadly doubled, the embarrassment of them exceeding your own estimate of the maximum benefits has been eliminated. The benefits have been dramatically increased tenfold from £105 billion to over £1 trillion. I congratulate you on finding nearly £1 trillion of benefits which had previously escaped your notice.
Rose in Wonderland Territory must be an equally amazing place.In other words the government now estimates that the Climate Change Act will cost every household in the country between £16,000 and £20,000 each.
When it comes to your revised estimates of the benefits, however, we enter Alice in Wonderland territory. Even though costs have broadly doubled, the embarrassment of them exceeding your own estimate of the maximum benefits has been eliminated. The benefits have been dramatically increased tenfold from £105 billion to over £1 trillion. I congratulate you on finding nearly £1 trillion of benefits which had previously escaped your notice.
I just listened to that so-called patriotic twit (Baron) Stuart Rose.
'We're part of Europe...'
No, mate, we're a bloody island, it is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
I remember you coming in at M&S in the noughties. Made in England, Made in Britain?
You soon got sorted that, eh?
Appointed for the major review of NHS management ...how did that work out?
More reason to ...OUT!
and hopefully, thanks to Baron Rose, more likely to 'out'.
Good!
'We're part of Europe...'
No, mate, we're a bloody island, it is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
I remember you coming in at M&S in the noughties. Made in England, Made in Britain?
You soon got sorted that, eh?
Appointed for the major review of NHS management ...how did that work out?
More reason to ...OUT!
and hopefully, thanks to Baron Rose, more likely to 'out'.
Good!
dandarez said:
I just listened to that so-called patriotic twit (Baron) Stuart Rose.
'We're part of Europe...'
No, mate, we're a bloody island, it is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
I remember you coming in at M&S in the noughties. Made in England, Made in Britain?
You soon got sorted that, eh?
Appointed for the major review of NHS management ...how did that work out?
More reason to ...OUT!
and hopefully, thanks to Baron Rose, more likely to 'out'.
Good!
The same twit that stated earlier that staying in the EU makes every person in the UK £480million per year better off!'We're part of Europe...'
No, mate, we're a bloody island, it is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
I remember you coming in at M&S in the noughties. Made in England, Made in Britain?
You soon got sorted that, eh?
Appointed for the major review of NHS management ...how did that work out?
More reason to ...OUT!
and hopefully, thanks to Baron Rose, more likely to 'out'.
Good!
http://order-order.com/2015/10/12/rose-tinted-in-c...
Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Monday 12th October 12:45
Esseesse said:
simple answer is that the cost of energy in the UK is simply too high, and steel making involves using a shedload of energy.Ultimately, it's green crap that's the cause of this, both from domestic stupidity and EU directives.
Another one for the list:
No 'compelling arguments' for staying in EU without major reform, Lloyds chairman says
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
No 'compelling arguments' for staying in EU without major reform, Lloyds chairman says
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...
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