The 'No to the EU' campaign

[Scuffers]

Blimey!

even Juncker get's it!

http://order-order.com/2015/10/14/juncker-britain-...

also here, but I see he's denying he said it now...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

Edited by Scuffers on Wednesday 14th October 16:44

[FiF]

Scuffers said:

Blimey!

even Juncker get's it!

http://order-order.com/2015/10/14/juncker-britain-...

also here, but I see he's denying he said it now...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

Edited by Scuffers on Wednesday 14th October 16:44

It's clear what he said, whether he meant to say that is another question. 90% vote result on Guido.

If that were Call me Dave there would be rooms of bright young thinks issuing clarification after clarification. The Prime Minister didn't mean today was Tuesday but was referring to <insert complete spinning Dervish twaddle>

[Esseesse]

The other week Mr Farage was on the Daily Politics. I think it was mentioned that financial services are not covered by our EU 'common market'. Is that correct, or is it some subset banking related business?

If true it smacks of the Germans arranging things to suit their strengths whilst at the same time putting obstacles in the way of business that London would likely clean up in.

[steveT350C]

Dan Hannan's suggestions of demands for Cameron to 'negotiate' with the EU....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

This is similar to Boris' stance, just setting the bar for Cameron way, way higher.

[davepoth]

Esseesse said:

The other week Mr Farage was on the Daily Politics. I think it was mentioned that financial services are not covered by our EU 'common market'. Is that correct, or is it some subset banking related business?

If there was a common market in financial services, UK insurance companies would not be able to refuse cover on "derestricted one-way toll roads in Germany". So no, we don't have a common market in financial services.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

[AJS-]

steveT350C said:

Dan Hannan's suggestions of demands for Cameron to 'negotiate' with the EU....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

This is similar to Boris' stance, just setting the bar for Cameron way, way higher.

That would still get an Out vote from me though. Number 11 is the problem. In practice parliament would decide which EU rules we implemented, in reality it would be like having a civil service on steroids dreaming up rules with no democratic control and being waved through in their entirety because it's "good for the economy."

Only complete withdrawal from the Treaty of Rome will make us an independent country and nothing less is acceptable to me.

A bit disappointing from Hannan.

[V8 Fettler]

The "outers" should now win on the perceived risks of immigration. They could still lose due to incompetence though.

[FiF]

That's a completely Barking theory. Look at the graph of net contributions to EU and payments from EU by nation, hit has been posted multiple times in this thread and others.

8 nations only are net contributors, all the rest net recipients. Of that 8 only 4 make significant net contributions, the remaining 4 are peanuts by comparison.

Brevity would leave an enormous hole in the EU finances, which only Germany would be capable of filling, except that now they have so many issues currently that just would be impossible to sell to the German public.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Except that recent polls point to a majority of French citizens wanting out too. Not to mention Italy.

Brexit could lead too a massive scaling back of the EU to what it should always have been, a trade agreement. Fingers crossed.

Having read all that has been said by both sides recently, I can find absolutely nothing that justifies remaining a member of this broken dream.

[FiF]

AJS- said:

steveT350C said:

Dan Hannan's suggestions of demands for Cameron to 'negotiate' with the EU....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

This is similar to Boris' stance, just setting the bar for Cameron way, way higher.

That would still get an Out vote from me though. Number 11 is the problem. In practice parliament would decide which EU rules we implemented, in reality it would be like having a civil service on steroids dreaming up rules with no democratic control and being waved through in their entirety because it's "good for the economy."

Only complete withdrawal from the Treaty of Rome will make us an independent country and nothing less is acceptable to me.

A bit disappointing from Hannan.

Would have more red lines than Hannan, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 and 11.

Edited due to quote numptyism.

Edited by FiF on Saturday 17th October 22:18

[mph1977]

anonymous said:

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except that is a decadeplus plan at least ...

not sure how long someone needs to have had IDLR / or continuous work on work permits in various EU nations to be eligible to apply for citizenship ...

[s2art]

mph1977 said:

except that is a decadeplus plan at least ...

not sure how long someone needs to have had IDLR / or continuous work on work permits in various EU nations to be eligible to apply for citizenship ...

It varies. I think its typically 5 years, but countries such as Spain are well known for issuing amnesties.

[s2art]

mph1977 said:

except that is a decadeplus plan at least ...

not sure how long someone needs to have had IDLR / or continuous work on work permits in various EU nations to be eligible to apply for citizenship ...

It varies. I think its typically 5 years, but countries such as Spain are well known for issuing amnesties.

[Esseesse]

Some on this thread may be interested in signing the the Leave.EU petition about media bias on change.org: Media Bias in relation to the EU Referendum.

[turbobloke]

Esseesse said:

Some on this thread may be interested in signing the the Leave.EU petition about media bias on change.org: Media Bias in relation to the EU Referendum.

Yes definitely, thanks.

[alfie2244]

Esseesse said:

Some on this thread may be interested in signing the the Leave.EU petition about media bias on change.org: Media Bias in relation to the EU Referendum.

[Esseesse]

Alan Johnson's speech getting some backlash in the comments on labourlist.org...

“Being part of the European Union makes our economy stronger” – full text of Alan Johnson’s Labour In For Britain speech

[Esseesse]

Sign the government petition to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act...

Repeal the European Communities Act 1972 to regain full control of our borders.

[turbobloke]

Esseesse said:

Alan Johnson's speech getting some backlash in the comments on labourlist.org...

“Being part of the European Union makes our economy stronger” – full text of Alan Johnson’s Labour In For Britain speech

Interesting, thanks for the link.

Is that the Alan Johnson who's a good bloke who honestly admitted he wasn't up to the high level demands of public office?

Now as then.

His memory is dodgy too "All the debate on both sides in 1975 was about political union." Not a chance matey.

And like almost all poiticians over on the Left, no real clue on how to manage a successful economy.

[steveT350C]

Has Junker thrown in the towel??

“Economically, we see the end of Europe’s glorious years compared with what others are doing,” the president of the European Commission said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...