IS - We'll buy nuclear weapon within 12 months.

IS - We'll buy nuclear weapon within 12 months.

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davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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exgtt said:
Could Isis provoke ww3 by obtaining "a couple of kg's of the right stuff" from a certain country? Wouldn't it be in Isis interest for the major world powers to blow each other to smitherines? I'll take that tin foil hat off soon....
Right now it's unlikely - ISIS is funded by the black market oil that they sell to the west in the main, so it would be a bit dumb.

exgtt

2,067 posts

211 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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davepoth said:
Right now it's unlikely - ISIS is funded by the black market oil that they sell to the west in the main, so it would be a bit dumb.
Is money going to mean much when that big red button is pushed though?

I'm sure they are more prepared to deal with nuclear oblivion than me sat on the sofa typing this. They don't lack ambition that's for sure, we have money and an easy life, they are motivated by something you cannot hear, touch, see or taste.

Edited by exgtt on Saturday 23 May 21:56

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Given that the dubiousness of the affiliation of half the Pakistani security/military/secret service forces, I'd say getting hold of a proper nuclear weapon probably wouldn't be that hard.

Pistom

4,914 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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superkartracer said:
Pistom said:
Daily Mail scaremongering.

It will never happen.
If NK ( with little ££ ) can build one, then ISIS with the billions is makes will purchase one, this is OLD tech now... only a matter of time.

Oh.. theres this -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-22/...

Edited by superkartracer on Saturday 23 May 20:46
Old tech and readily available knowledge but it would need state support. NK got this from at least 2 sources, maybe ISIS can do the same.

Who would have thought from the events of January of '91 that we'd end up here today so it is by no means beyond possibility but they would need more than money and the tech.

exgtt

2,067 posts

211 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Pistom said:
Old tech and readily available knowledge but it would need state support. NK got this from at least 2 sources, maybe ISIS can do the same.

Who would have thought from the events of January of '91 that we'd end up here today so it is by no means beyond possibility but they would need more than money and the tech.
And this is what scares me

mcelliott

8,626 posts

180 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Gargamel said:
I don't see a problem with Isis having nuclear capability in 12 months.

Provided we use ours in 11.
Nuclear bombing a load of bearded loons? Absolutely fine. Nuclear bombing an ideology? Not quite so simple.

chris123321

514 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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I'm not too worried, they are a gang/mafia that controls its people and tries to gain legitimacy through religion.


I honestly think they know that running around the world nuking places will invite a much stronger force on their own doorstep and alienate alot of their backers and whilst they are making money and gaining power, they don't want that.

Maybe some Western boots on ground to make it into the Crusades and bring together the less radical Muslims, but the response from the rest of the world if they started detonating nuclear weapons would be rather painful to their operation I should imagine.

They would have to be stupid to do it in my opinion, and the management have shown they are not.

Edited by chris123321 on Saturday 23 May 22:46

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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exgtt said:
Is money going to mean much when that big red button is pushed though?

I'm sure they are more prepared to deal with nuclear oblivion than me sat on the sofa typing this. They don't lack ambition that's for sure, we have money and an easy life, they are motivated by something you cannot hear, touch, see or taste.

Edited by exgtt on Saturday 23 May 21:56
No, they're also motivated by greed. If they were motivated by ideology they wouldn't have targeted the oilfields first. For all of the ideology it's a massive organised crime empire which is growing on the backs of naive jihadis who are dying for a morally bankrupt cause.

At the moment ISIS are in a cagey coalition with a lot of other militant Islam groups - like Al Quada, Al Shebab, Boko Haram, and so on. Pretty much the only thing they have in common is the infidels. Take away the infidels and the inevitable result is that they'll fight each other. As I alluded to above it's exactly like the Mafia, and you can guarantee that they'll think very hard before going to the mattresses when business is as good as it is.

knitware

1,473 posts

192 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Good grief, calm down chaps and have a word with yourselves.

It's takes billions in cash and some rather clever people to create, deploy and detonate a nuke and that is with a lot help from various government departments and help from the best minds on the planet plus a work force of skilled engineers, chemists, physicists, scientists. Also a manufacturing capability say in a few hundred acres, and other items. Neutron source, a moderator, explosive facility, oh yes, a deployment strategy, a few million terraflops of computing power and a huge amount of other resource, power would be good, so a power plant and a huge amount of cash. Oh and all this has to be hidden.

You can't just drop Uranium from a great height or hit it with a hammer to 'set if off'.

Now, sit down and have a think. How would sand rats buy a nuke, deploy it, detonate it and make sure all of this is done in the right area without anyone knowing until the big bang. It can't happen, it's comic book journalism. ISIS can shout ally snakbar all they wan't but it ain't going to change the fact the only thing they are good at is playing at being 14th century only with bullets.

Unimaginative rubbish akin to Elvis on the moon.





Edited by knitware on Sunday 24th May 01:19

knitware

1,473 posts

192 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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exgtt said:
Could Isis provoke ww3 by obtaining "a couple of kg's of the right stuff" from a certain country? W
No.

knitware

1,473 posts

192 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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drivetrain said:
I still think that my original point stands. If IS could get hold of enough fissile material (quite feasible with the amount of corruption and intrigue in the islamic world ie Pakistan for example) then the manufacture and deployment of a dirty or even a biological bomb detonated by a fanatical nutcase is quite a realistic scenario.

Yes, because getting hold of highly enriched uranium is simple, detonating a nuke is simple?

Google how to build, maintain and deploy nuclear bombs, have a read and relax.

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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A couple of lumps of glowing stuff, half a tank barrel, some bangy stuff and your in business.
wink

Blaster72

10,772 posts

196 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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drivetrain said:
knitware said:
Good grief, calm down chaps and have a word with yourselves.

It's takes billions in cash and some rather clever people to create, deploy and detonate a nuke and that is with a lot help from various government departments and help from the best minds on the planet plus a work force of skilled engineers, chemists, physicists, scientists. Also a manufacturing capability say in a few hundred acres, and other items. Neutron source, a moderator, explosive facility, oh yes, a deployment strategy, a few million terraflops of computing power and a huge amount of other resource, power would be good, so a power plant and a huge amount of cash. Oh and all this has to be hidden.

You can't just drop Uranium from a great height or hit it with a hammer to 'set if off'.

Now, sit down and have a think. How would sand rats buy a nuke, deploy it, detonate it and make sure all of this is done in the right area without anyone knowing until the big bang. It can't happen, it's comic book journalism. ISIS can shout ally snakbar all they wan't but it ain't going to change the fact the only thing they are good at is playing at being 14th century only with bullets.

Unimaginative rubbish akin to Elvis on the moon.
OK.

Is your name Mohammed or something similar?



dudleybloke said:
A couple of lumps of glowing stuff, half a tank barrel, some bangy stuff and your in business.
wink
Yep.
Er, nope.

Pistom

4,914 posts

158 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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The reality is probably the mid ground of the above arguments.


MiniMan64

16,862 posts

189 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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exgtt said:
Could Isis provoke ww3 by obtaining "a couple of kg's of the right stuff" from a certain country? Wouldn't it be in Isis interest for the major world powers to blow each other to smitherines? I'll take that tin foil hat off soon....
Don't worry, Ben Affleck and Liev Schreiber would save us.

onyx39

11,109 posts

149 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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exgtt said:
Could Isis provoke ww3 by obtaining "a couple of kg's of the right stuff" from a certain country? Wouldn't it be in Isis interest for the major world powers to blow each other to smitherines? I'll take that tin foil hat off soon....
That's pretty much the plot of "The Sum of all fears"


superkartracer

8,959 posts

221 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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knitware said:
It's takes billions in cash and some rather clever people [/footnote]
Nope, it's actually very easy ( this is why people with some knowledge are scared ) , the hard part is making the material (enriched uranium ( (( and expensive bit )) // -

Quite easy to build a Hiroshima style "gun" fission device - using a pre-existing artillery gun

The physics of a gun-type fission device are actually pretty simple, on the surface. Two sub-critical masses of highly enriched uranium at opposite ends of a barrel with a case strong enough to contain the reaction for fractions of a second ( artillery gun )
Behind one sub critical mass is an explosive, this fires the mass into the second mass, and the case holds it together long enough for the reaction to take place and boom. If the case doesn't hold, or something was off with the explosives, you get a fizzle.
Most every nuclear weapon these days is an implosion style device that uses explosive lenses and very precise detonation times to compress a sphere of Plutonium to a critical state. 20 years ago the media broke the story that instead of spheres the US was using footballs for their new weapons and it was a big deal for the public to even know that.
In the case of an artillery gun, it is already designed to stand up to high pressure, though it still may need to be the thickest one you can find. One end is already strongly capped by the breach so all you have to do is construct the explosives and plug the end. It's crude, and will probably have a poor yield, but it's possible.

The schematics for building one are essentially public knowledge at this point and all of the parts are available through legal dealers. The only real roadblock is literally just the enriched uranium

So no, it's not hard at all, but enriched uranium, you don't find it down sofa's but there is plenty stashed around, which is concerning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core

^^ you don't even need the above!, just stick two bits together ha ha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdyUuCVc4PI

Enjoy and sleep well.


sirtyro

1,824 posts

197 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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To deal with them can't we just find out who is buying their oil and stop this?!? Ok they might have a lot of cash now, but if you can stop people doing business with them then it won't be too long. I can't believe that they are that great at economics.

superkartracer

8,959 posts

221 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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sirtyro said:
I can't believe that they are that great at economics.
Why not?

Pistom

4,914 posts

158 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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superkartracer said:
sirtyro said:
I can't believe that they are that great at economics.
Why not?
Because they are portrayed to us in the West as a bunch of brain washed savages who can't think further than the next beheading.

Islam has become a swear word and Muslim an insult and as long as we keep down that path, the situation will get worse.