Irish vote of gay marriage
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
Just shows how out of touch most people are in England in regards to the massive social changes that have happened in the Republic of Ireland over the past few decades.
Ireland is a very different place today compared to what it was in 1985.
I think the GB perception of Eire is held back by the retarded attitudes of all sides in Norn Iron ... and this seems to reflect what a lot of posters have said in this thread Ireland is a very different place today compared to what it was in 1985.
Bradgate said:
Well done Ireland. I'm very proud of my ancestors' country today. Next job - abortion rights.
As for the % of people who are gay, there was a well -researched piece about this in the Guardian recently. IIRC the current consensus among the experts is that approx 2% of the population is exclusively homosexual, ie they have no sexual attraction to the opposite sex whatsoever. A much larger number of people, around 10%, have at some point had at least one sexual experience with someone of the same sex. Around 90% are exclusively heterosexual, ie they have never done anything sexual with someone of the same sex.
Sounds about right to me.
sounds pretty fiar, although i suspect the 'totally' straight #figure will drift down a little further as the remaining societal issues that face LGBTQ people ( and 'straight' but 'Kinky' people ) become less important and less driven by fear and bigotry... As for the % of people who are gay, there was a well -researched piece about this in the Guardian recently. IIRC the current consensus among the experts is that approx 2% of the population is exclusively homosexual, ie they have no sexual attraction to the opposite sex whatsoever. A much larger number of people, around 10%, have at some point had at least one sexual experience with someone of the same sex. Around 90% are exclusively heterosexual, ie they have never done anything sexual with someone of the same sex.
Sounds about right to me.
Hackney said:
Southern Ireland Derek, where's that?
I'm from Northern Ireland. Southern Ireland refers to the part of Ireland that lies to the south of that, in the context you refer to in your post. Perfectly normal for anybody from one of either to distinguish where necessary when, for example, one has just had a referendum on gay marriage and the other has not.Your posts don't evince great intellect as a rule, Hackney, but this must plumb a new depth.
iphonedyou said:
Hackney said:
Southern Ireland Derek, where's that?
I'm from Northern Ireland. Southern Ireland refers to the part of Ireland that lies to the south of that, in the context you refer to in your post. Perfectly normal for anybody from one of either to distinguish where necessary when, for example, one has just had a referendum on gay marriage and the other has not.Your posts don't evince great intellect as a rule, Hackney, but this must plumb a new depth.
menousername said:
Was there no civil partnership concept before this in Ireland?
We had civil partnerships for same sex couples, but todays result goes much further than what was on offer previously, basically gay couples can now be as bored as the rest of us after years of marriage.iphonedyou said:
mph1977 said:
it's somewhat outmoded and outdated and may be interpreted by some as a sign or beign stuck in the past much as those who insist on putting the second or even third 'e' into Kenya
Well it works for Eric (south, originally) and me (north, originally) and is a rather neat way of differentiating between where the referendum happened (south) and did not (north). Which part of Ireland are you from?Its a very GB thing to use the term "Southern Ireland" (and Eire). Very very few in ROI would ever use these terms. In NI it would be more used. Yeah its no great crime but if noone ever says when somthing is incorrect, then noone will ever learn! 
It's a bit like using the term "coloured" for black people.
The world has moved on, but it's hardly the crime of the century.
desolate said:
Hackney said:
Southern Ireland Derek, where's that?
Not sure where Derek is from, but a lot of people from the island of Ireland use that terminology.It's a bit like using the term "coloured" for black people.
The world has moved on, but it's hardly the crime of the century.
Eric Mc said:
Louth is on the East Coast - so a bit more liberal.
Roscommon, Longford, Leitrim etc were much tighter.
What happened in Dublin North East (my old stomping ground)? It had the lowest "Yes" percentage than any of the other Dublin areas.
Roscommon, Longford, Leitrim and Cavan could possibly be the last of the chulchie county's, and north Dublin is still.. lets just say some parts are ''a bit council'', Ireland is a country of younger/modern-minded people ran by old fogeys has been for decades, not just in age terms the mentality of officials is like pre-internet stuck in the 90's, still think the Irish people will just accept what's thrown on the table and wont know any better, I would expect that to change over the next ten or so years, maybe sooner its 100years next year since independence ya'd never know if were lucky people power will get a boost, and all the water billing commotion isn't over yet, be nice to get the gobsRoscommon, Longford, Leitrim etc were much tighter.
What happened in Dublin North East (my old stomping ground)? It had the lowest "Yes" percentage than any of the other Dublin areas.
te's outa the Dail, we're a lot more libral even cosmopolitan then most would think, not just silly paddy's anymore, 20years ago we were 10years behind most other cultures/nations, now especially after today we're on par
the church lost its last real bible bashers about ten years ago, also I'd say a good percentage of priests, bishops etc. are batting for the other team not referring to the abuses just a lot are gentle souls and just naturally kind from my experience-the gay-dar tells me, its something most people just think/accept
also there's loads of churches popping up there's one in a old tyre shop round the corner from me, the catholic church of old has faded away as it should, not completely but its not a major player in decision making anymore most of the schools/convents Christian brothers etc. are history at this stage
while it affects me in no way I do know people who it would and have known, IMO its a non-issue I don't care what happens in others bedrooms just don't prance around in tutu's singing its raining men and we'll get along grand, honestly fair play to them,
atleast we now know the chulcies true weakness - there afraid of the gays....no problem with sheep tho! haha
Speaking of Northern Ireland, its worth mentioning cause most in GB wont know, that a couple of weeks ago, a gay marriage rights motion was again debated and defeated again in Stormont for the 4th time (and 2nd time in two years) by a few votes. The unionist parties rejecting the motion again. NI is the only part of the UK and now with Irelands vote, Western Europe without equal marriage rights.
mrmarcus said:
Its a very GB thing to use the term "Southern Ireland" (and Eire). Very very few in ROI would ever use these terms. In NI it would be more used. Yeah its no great crime but if noone ever says when somthing is incorrect, then noone will ever learn!
It's a bit like using the term "coloured" for black people.
The world has moved on, but it's hardly the crime of the century.
more confusing then anything southern Ireland = Cork/Kerry desolate said:
Hackney said:
Southern Ireland Derek, where's that?
Not sure where Derek is from, but a lot of people from the island of Ireland use that terminology.It's a bit like using the term "coloured" for black people.
The world has moved on, but it's hardly the crime of the century.
iphonedyou said:
Hackney said:
Southern Ireland Derek, where's that?
I'm from Northern Ireland. Southern Ireland refers to the part of Ireland that lies to the south of that, in the context you refer to in your post. Perfectly normal for anybody from one of either to distinguish where necessary when, for example, one has just had a referendum on gay marriage and the other has not.Your posts don't evince great intellect as a rule, Hackney, but this must plumb a new depth.
So, Donegal didn't get a vote in the referendum, or Letterkenny or Killybegs?
Just so I know, could you - with your screaming intellect - tell me what you call the country that lies to the West of Northern Ireland, or to the North of Northern Ireland?
There's no such place as Southern Ireland. There's Ireland, The Republic (of Ireland), Eire, but there's no country on earth called Southern Ireland.
I may not have intellect as far as you're concerned but I'm damn sure I've got geography you complete gobs
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Kaj91 said:
menousername said:
Was there no civil partnership concept before this in Ireland?
We had civil partnerships for same sex couples, but todays result goes much further than what was on offer previously, basically gay couples can now be as bored as the rest of us after years of marriage.If a couple have a registry office wedding, and another couple have a civil partnership whats the legal difference, or is it just a word?
Troubleatmill said:
98elise said:
Its actually closer to 2% in humans (survey rather than estimates).
Numbers have varied from 1.5% to 20%. It's circa 10% everywhere else in the animal kingdom.We won't be any different.
The low number is likely down to society... yada yada yada
I realise that even this day and age some people will be living a lie, but the figure of 1 in 50 (2%) seems about right just based on my own family, and workmates etc.
We were talking about marriage just the other day. A mate has a son with his G/F, plus a house and a business together.
If she wants to bugger off back to England with their son, he hasn't a wobbley one legged milking stool to stand on for his rights. Marriage gives basic rights to all couples, LBGT or not.
If she wants to bugger off back to England with their son, he hasn't a wobbley one legged milking stool to stand on for his rights. Marriage gives basic rights to all couples, LBGT or not.
iphonedyou said:
I'm from Northern Ireland. Southern Ireland refers to the part of Ireland that lies to the south of that, in the context you refer to in your post. Perfectly normal for anybody from one of either to distinguish where necessary when, for example, one has just had a referendum on gay marriage and the other has not.
Your posts don't evince great intellect as a rule, Hackney, but this must plumb a new depth.
As I like to point, part of "Southern Ireland" is not south of the Northern Ireland border at all - it's directly west (Donegal) and, in one small place, actually further north than any part of "Northern Ireland (Malin Head, if you're interested).Your posts don't evince great intellect as a rule, Hackney, but this must plumb a new depth.
The term Southern Ireland used to annoy me but I do recognise that it is a handy euphimism for describing that part of the country (most of it actually) that isn't Northern Ireland.
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