SA80 replacement.

[Halb]

These guys never lost.
http://www.myateamvan.com/armory.html

[croyde]

They also never managed to hit anybody

[Halb]

Win-win!

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

andy_s said:

Drop a horse at a mile.

Your chances of actually being able to accurately hit a horse at a mile with 7.62mm NATO are about the square root of damn all, even using the best scoped Match Rifle, given that the round goes sub-sonic at around 900 yds.

[rohrl]

Why would anyone want to kill a horse a mile away?

Edited by rohrl on Friday 29th May 14:14

[IroningMan]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

andy_s said:

Drop a horse at a mile.

Your chances of actually being able to accurately hit a horse at a mile with 7.62mm NATO are about the square root of damn all, even using the best scoped Match Rifle, given that the round goes sub-sonic at around 900 yds.

'Co-ax, Black Beauty, On!'

'On!'

'Fire!'

'Lasing'

'Firing noW!'

'Target!'

'Target, stop.'

Difficult to spot the strike and correct beond 1,500m, so it might take a few bursts.

[Ayahuasca]

AndrewEH1 said:

Wasn't the myth that they used to shoot to wound rather than kill to remove more than one person from the frontline? Nothing to do with the rounds I thought?

The idea that a squaddie, crouched in his trench on the North German Plain, claustrophobic inside his NBC suit, struggling to see through the fogged lenses of his S6 respirator, trying to focus on the iron sights of his SLR, stting his pants at the sight of the 3rd Shock Army charging out of a mist of white phosphorus smoke, his ears filled with the noise of exploding rounds from a Soviet BMP-1, the Harrier GR1s screaming overhead, the neighboring section GPMGs opening up, tracer rounds bouncing crazily into the sky, hearing the distant voice of his section commander yell, 'SECTION! 300 METRES! TO YOUR FRONT! ENEMY INFANTRY! RAAAAAAPID FIRE!' can pick out a charging Russian infantryman who if firing his AK74 as charges, and can then deliberately 'aim to wound' is a tad unrealistic.

[soad]

The SAS have never favoured the SA80?

Replacement will be something German made.

[telecat]

Given the cock up on the G36 I think it will be very carefully looked at first.

[FurtiveFreddy]

cirian75 said:

drivetrain said:

croyde said:

Never understood why there are the wrong bullets in a war. You can't use a hollow point yet you can shred someone with a grenade.

Agreed, don't the US police use hollow points?

Yes, to stop over penetration mainly and stopping power second

'Hollow point' is a very general term and could be used to describe anything from a boat tail target bullet to the nastiest fragmenting 'dum dum'.

A bullet designed to expand on impact will transfer more of it's energy into the target and minimise penetration. It's not necessarily the same as one which expands AND fragments, causing a nastier type of (often non-lethal) injury.

I think the idea is that killing people on the battlefield is a bit nicer than just wounding them and leaving them to bleed out.

[Ayahuasca]

Some hollow points, expanding bullets and the like might be effective against bed-sheet clad insurgents, but would have difficulty penetrating modern body armour, as being introduced, for example, by Russian troops.

[maffski]

Ayahuasca said:

AndrewEH1 said:

Wasn't the myth that they used to shoot to wound rather than kill to remove more than one person from the frontline? Nothing to do with the rounds I thought?

The idea that a squaddie, crouched in his trench on the North German Plain, claustrophobic inside his NBC suit, struggling to see through the fogged lenses of his S6 respirator, trying to focus on the iron sights of his SLR, stting his pants at the sight of the 3rd Shock Army charging out of a mist of white phosphorus smoke, his ears filled with the noise of exploding rounds from a Soviet BMP-1, the Harrier GR1s screaming overhead, the neighboring section GPMGs opening up, tracer rounds bouncing crazily into the sky, hearing the distant voice of his section commander yell, 'SECTION! 300 METRES! TO YOUR FRONT! ENEMY INFANTRY! RAAAAAAPID FIRE!' can pick out a charging Russian infantryman who if firing his AK74 as charges, and can then deliberately 'aim to wound' is a tad unrealistic.

My money's on the marketing team.

Engineering: The new round is light enough to be carried in the required quantity but lacks lethality
Management: What? You want more development! We're already over budget and behind schedule
Marketing: The great thing about the new round is it ties up the enemies logistics with medial support and casualty evacuation
Buyer: More champagne? Don't mind if I do. I'll just sign the order form

[andy_s]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

andy_s said:

Drop a horse at a mile.

Your chances of actually being able to accurately hit a horse at a mile with 7.62mm NATO are about the square root of damn all, even using the best scoped Match Rifle, given that the round goes sub-sonic at around 900 yds.

C'mon, we're talking about God's rifle, a bit of respect GG...

I think the phrase belongs to the SMLE anyway

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

God's rifle is the Number 4 Mk2

[Mojocvh]

soad said:

The SAS have never favoured the SA80?

Replacement will be something German made.

True, but not for the reason your making out!!