Jogger killed by cyclist

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Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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TheInternet said:
Grumfutock said:
I really hope the idiots on here do not try and defend the moron in lycra like they did on other posts.
You don't think you should be able to run on a footpath?
Wasn't referring to running. Why the hell do you think i would be taking a pop at the deceased?

Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Johnnytheboy said:
Smiler. said:
R4 had a phone in on cycling earlier today.

"Call You and Yours: Do you think it's time to ask cyclists to take a test before they're allowed on the roads?"
What about the pavement?
About 100 years ago, when I was but a slip of a boy in short trousers, my primary school held Cycling Proficiency Tests in the playground. It wasn't mandatory, but we all went. It covered the basics and was mainly centred around safety for the cyclist and others using the roads. Without the little enamel badge on my bike I wasn't allowed to cycle to school.

Is it time these were reintroduced as part of the curriculum?

CoolC

4,216 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Podie said:
Do kids not do cycling proficiency at school any more?
Yes, although it's called Bikeability now.

The article is very short of any sort of detail though to gain any opinion on the incident, sad though it is.

wolves_wanderer

12,373 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
TheInternet said:
Grumfutock said:
I really hope the idiots on here do not try and defend the moron in lycra like they did on other posts.
You don't think you should be able to run on a footpath?
Wasn't referring to running. Why the hell do you think i would be taking a pop at the deceased?
Without wishing to answer for the internet, you did refer to the moron in lycra. As joggers wear a lot of lycra I thought it was pretty offensive tbh.

richie99

1,116 posts

186 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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When a cyclist is in an incident with a pedestrian, the cyclist should always be held responsible. The details are irrelevant. Recognise the logic?

ewenm

28,506 posts

245 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
I really hope the idiots on here do not try and defend the moron in lycra like they did on other posts.
I hope the Police find the cyclist or he comes forward. Not really sure what the cyclist's or runner's choices in clothing has to do with anything unless it's information from an eye-witness that could help find them.


Edited by ewenm on Tuesday 26th May 14:03

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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It apparently appeared as if the man had minor injuries after the collision and the severity only became apparent when he later went to hospital.

Police Scotland said:
“We’re eager to trace the cyclist, described as a man in his early twenties, and any witnesses.”

They added they were not expected to bring charges against the cyclist as there is “no suggestion of any criminality”.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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wolves_wanderer said:
Grumfutock said:
TheInternet said:
Grumfutock said:
I really hope the idiots on here do not try and defend the moron in lycra like they did on other posts.
You don't think you should be able to run on a footpath?
Wasn't referring to running. Why the hell do you think i would be taking a pop at the deceased?
Without wishing to answer for the internet, you did refer to the moron in lycra. As joggers wear a lot of lycra I thought it was pretty offensive tbh.
What a surprise!

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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was the jogger wearing a helmet?

no road tax/insurance/numberplate on him either

Dan_1981

17,381 posts

199 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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The article states didn't swap details at the time.

Which suggests to me the cyclist stopped, to check on the guy but didn't trade details (not sure why you would)

The extent of the injuries then became apparent later.

I'd be very surprised if the cyclist doesn't just come forward and say yeah - sorry it was me.

No suggestion they have acted improperly.

wolves_wanderer

12,373 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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richie99 said:
When a cyclist is in an incident with a pedestrian, the cyclist should always be held responsible. The details are irrelevant. Recognise the logic?
It is the same logic that people use when suggesting that drivers should held responsible for accidents with cyclists. FWIW I don't agree with that either.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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La Liga said:
It apparently appeared as if the man had minor injuries after the collision and the severity only became apparent when he later went to hospital.

Police Scotland said:
“We’re eager to trace the cyclist, described as a man in his early twenties, and any witnesses.”

They added they were not expected to bring charges against the cyclist as there is “no suggestion of any criminality”.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not riding on the pavement illegal?

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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La Liga said:
It apparently appeared as if the man had minor injuries after the collision and the severity only became apparent when he later went to hospital.

Police Scotland said:
“We’re eager to trace the cyclist, described as a man in his early twenties, and any witnesses.”

They added they were not expected to bring charges against the cyclist as there is “no suggestion of any criminality”.
It also states that it happened on a footpath. Curious to know why they say no charges. Maybe it is a dual cycle path and foot path?

wolves_wanderer

12,373 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
La Liga said:
It apparently appeared as if the man had minor injuries after the collision and the severity only became apparent when he later went to hospital.

Police Scotland said:
“We’re eager to trace the cyclist, described as a man in his early twenties, and any witnesses.”

They added they were not expected to bring charges against the cyclist as there is “no suggestion of any criminality”.
It also states that it happened on a footpath. Curious to know why they say no charges. Maybe it is a dual cycle path and foot path?
That was going to be my suggestion.

We have loads of "mixed use" pathways round here that are nothing more than normal pavements with a sign permitting cycling. I assume it is some cheap bodge to build a certain amount of cycle track to gain some funding or show how "green" they are. Seems daft to me if the pavements aren't widened as surely they are no more appropriate to cycle on than a normal pavement?

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
La Liga said:
It apparently appeared as if the man had minor injuries after the collision and the severity only became apparent when he later went to hospital.

Police Scotland said:
“We’re eager to trace the cyclist, described as a man in his early twenties, and any witnesses.”

They added they were not expected to bring charges against the cyclist as there is “no suggestion of any criminality”.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not riding on the pavement illegal?
It's actually not that straight forward at all.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2...

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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it wasn't a footpath alongside a road, was a path through a housing estate

Driver101

14,376 posts

121 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
La Liga said:
It apparently appeared as if the man had minor injuries after the collision and the severity only became apparent when he later went to hospital.

Police Scotland said:
“We’re eager to trace the cyclist, described as a man in his early twenties, and any witnesses.”

They added they were not expected to bring charges against the cyclist as there is “no suggestion of any criminality”.
It also states that it happened on a footpath. Curious to know why they say no charges. Maybe it is a dual cycle path and foot path?
It has been a long time since I've been on that path, but years ago it was divided into a cycle lane and a walking path.

It is a wide path, but it's also on a steep hill. It's where a lot of kids used to play on their bikes or any thing that would roll down the hill at speed.

It was also the pathway that linked a few schools.

The narrow walkway is immediately next to the houses on the left(going downhill) which is the side Fergus Avenue is on. The runner should have entered on to the walkers side.

No idea what happened, but very sad for someone to lose their life.

Driver101

14,376 posts

121 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Here is a picture of the path in question on a Facebook page.

https://m.facebook.com/Livingstoni/photos/pb.30516...

The houses at the bottom of the hill in Fergus Avenue. The path turns 90° right then 90° left and gets steeper. Fergus Avenue is still a few rows of houses after that.

You can see the railing that divides walking and bikes.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 26th May 14:48

Crush

15,077 posts

169 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Podie said:
Cycling is probably more popular now, than it has been for decades.

I've had some bloke verbally abuse me on a zebra crossing in London because I stopped him getting King of the Hill (or whatever it is)...

Like anything though, it only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.
Similar happened to me in Winchester. Except the cyclist clipped my hockey bag and fell off before abusing me.

2fast748

1,091 posts

195 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Podie said:
Do kids not do cycling proficiency at school any more?
They do but it isn't called that any more.