FIFA corruption arrests

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Derek Smith

45,729 posts

249 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Troubleatmill said:
Even worse.... everyone in the UK will watch it anyway.


If you want something to change, we the public need to have some integrity and not watch it.

If we don't watch it.
Advertisers won't spend money on it.
TV broadcasters won't bid for it.
Fifa can't sell it
Sponsors won't give the money to Fifa.


But - we the public- are all mouth and no trousers.


Until we have the courage of our convictions.....it won't change- unless the legal system sticks the boot in.
You can do something though. In fact, there's never been an easier time to get your voice heard. Despite the news outlets being controlled by just a few people in the main, and once Cameron's makes good on his threat to use Ofcom to restrict what programmes we watch on BBC, the power of social media is immense. If mummies can do it with mumsnet, then if this is important to you, you can start a movement.

So set up a facebook page, name the sponsors, write to the sponsors, tell them that they should not pay money to the corrupt and to continue to do so makes them corrupt also. In my youth some group had little notes printed that they used to place in magazines in WHSmith. Actually got on national news. I wrote to the bank that had Cyril Smith as their front man. His contract wasn't renewed.

It won't be long before governments stop our access to influence - for our own good of course - so use it while it is there.

It works. Mumsnet, Brake and many other groups have pushed their minority agenda over that of the masses.


Pommygranite

14,266 posts

217 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Siko said:
Pommygranite said:
I'm with you. I refuse to buy a Kia.
Solidarity brothers. I'm refusing to drive my wife's Hyundai and will only drive my E92 M3 henceforth. I know, I know....but we all have to make sacrifices hehe
beer

...but not Budweiser though.



DJRC

23,563 posts

237 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Troubleatmill said:
Bodo said:
Troubleatmill said:
Even worse.... everyone in the UK will watch it anyway.


If you want something to change, we the public need to have some integrity and not watch it.

...

But - we the public- are all mouth and no trousers.


Until we have the courage of our convictions.....it won't change- unless the legal system sticks the boot in.
I like your idea, but I'm afraid that for >95% of the global football watching population, the context of the FIFA scandal and the points listed in your post are too complex to grasp. They don't care how their favourite player gets playing on the screen; they don't need to understand who FIFA or Blatter is. They watch and cheer!
True.

But 70% of the worldwide revenue is in a handful of countries.

And these countries are pretty much against corruption.

It just takes a little cohonas smile
But...why?
Its nothing to do with complex points or whatever, but simple motive. Why should your average footy fan give a rats arse about FIFA, Sepp or corruption? It doesn't impact on their life in any way shape or form, it doesn't impact on their context of football in any way shape or form. It is a thoroughly remote issue for them and therefore of 0 relevance.

Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

170 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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The Swiss are getting stuck in, have been doing for the past couple of months, apparently.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/f...

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

243 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Derek Smith said:
It won't be long before governments stop our access to influence - for our own good of course - so use it while it is there.
Better hope they don't stop the access to tinfoil.

I'm sure you'll have a whimsical anecdote involving a desk sergeant in the early 70s, and recollections of a team you headed in Muswell Hill where someone told you something, both of which will back up your stance, but it won't change the fact that your statement is hysterical and completely mental.

Blib

44,206 posts

198 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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V8 Fettler said:
Association football has been financially and morally bankrupt for decades.
yes

It's had its chancers, con men, thieves and charlatans hanging from its coat tailsmsince the day the first regulations were laid down.

However, this FIFA mob are so blatent in thier abuse of power that they need to get busted. Pour encourager les autres.

Edited by Blib on Sunday 31st May 09:57

Derek Smith

45,729 posts

249 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Justayellowbadge said:
Derek Smith said:
It won't be long before governments stop our access to influence - for our own good of course - so use it while it is there.
Better hope they don't stop the access to tinfoil.

I'm sure you'll have a whimsical anecdote involving a desk sergeant in the early 70s, and recollections of a team you headed in Muswell Hill where someone told you something, both of which will back up your stance, but it won't change the fact that your statement is hysterical and completely mental.
You seem to think that governments want an informed public. Well, it is a point of view I suppose. I'm not sure there's any evidence to support that and ample, in fact overwhelming, evidence to show that it is fantasy. All governments are frightened of an informed public. We have the threat of newspapers being gagged, we have super-injunctions, we have the threat of censorship of the net and you seem to think this is all right. I'm happy that you are happy with the situation.

Thanks for the feedback. Please feel free to ignore my posts in future and feel reassured I'll extend the same courtesy to you.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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The super-injunction was a curious creature that got a lot of exposure a few years ago. I recall the hullabaloo on here that discussing them created.

I wonder how many are still in effect and being created out there.

Derek Smith

45,729 posts

249 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Halb said:
I wonder how many are still in effect and being created out there.
You have, of course, highlighted the problem with them. We don't know. It is yesterday's news so no one particularly cares.

About five weeks ago there were at least three, according to a journalist I know.


Bodo

12,377 posts

267 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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DJRC said:
Troubleatmill said:
Bodo said:
Troubleatmill said:
Even worse.... everyone in the UK will watch it anyway.


If you want something to change, we the public need to have some integrity and not watch it.

...

But - we the public- are all mouth and no trousers.


Until we have the courage of our convictions.....it won't change- unless the legal system sticks the boot in.
I like your idea, but I'm afraid that for >95% of the global football watching population, the context of the FIFA scandal and the points listed in your post are too complex to grasp. They don't care how their favourite player gets playing on the screen; they don't need to understand who FIFA or Blatter is. They watch and cheer!
True.

But 70% of the worldwide revenue is in a handful of countries.

And these countries are pretty much against corruption.

It just takes a little cohonas smile
But...why?
Its nothing to do with complex points or whatever, but simple motive. Why should your average footy fan give a rats arse about FIFA, Sepp or corruption? It doesn't impact on their life in any way shape or form, it doesn't impact on their context of football in any way shape or form. It is a thoroughly remote issue for them and therefore of 0 relevance.
We all agree on that. Corruption has the same impact on peoples lives globally, but the degree by which it is detected, interpreted and countered is different. You can do your bit against it, but don't expect an African or Latin-American family to have the same understanding.

As mentioned before, a fair part of the funds that FIFA receives comes from the sponsors. As all of them are multinational, they will have a strong code of conduct in regards to corruption. They should have more influence than the UEFA, once they are convinced to act.

limpsfield

5,887 posts

254 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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UK banks launch Fifa investigation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32950214

"Two UK banks have started internal reviews into whether they were used for corrupt payments by Fifa officials, the BBC understands.Barclays and Standard Chartered, together with HSBC, were referred to in the FBI indictment of seven senior Fifa officials last week."

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

243 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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limpsfield said:
UK banks launch Fifa investigation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32950214

"Two UK banks have started internal reviews into whether they were used for corrupt payments by Fifa officials, the BBC understands.Barclays and Standard Chartered, together with HSBC, were referred to in the FBI indictment of seven senior Fifa officials last week."
Swift, decisive, action from Barclays and HSBC, as one would expect from paragons of probity.

I'm sure lessons will be learnt.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Justayellowbadge said:
...I'm sure lessons will be learnt.
Again wink

The Hypno-Toad

12,287 posts

206 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Blatter, just like Bernie, knows the importance of branding.

Bernie knew that with all the fuss over the gentleman who can't be named and his 'interesting' leisure interests, there was going to be no breakaway series without Ferrari & Monaco. Those two things are F1.

So when the teams threatened to breakaway unless someone was removed, he didn't take it seriously. Then when Ferrari joined in 'someone' leaked the information that Ferrari had a rule veto and were given massive funding by the governing body's. The teams just went,
"Yeah, we knew all that anyway. Get rid or we're off,"
"You won't have anything without Monaco,"
"We've got Monaco,"
"Ah."

And in a flash, the gentlemen with the 'interesting' leisure activities was gone.

Blatter knows that the World Cup is Brazil. They are the team that everyone tunes in to watch, the team the neutrals all support and the one that sponsors spend the most money on (I think.). If they go, his house of cards will come tumbling down. Which is why is the South American FAs are so far in his pocket, they can smell his boxer shorts.


Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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The Soccer World CUp would still be Brazil if Europe leaves?

The Hypno-Toad

12,287 posts

206 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Halb said:
The Soccer World Cup would still be Brazil if Europe leaves?
If the European teams quit, I don't think it would matter too much to Blatter/Fifa. Let's face it, the Russians and the countries they influence won't be going anywhere for the foreseeable future, so any boycott isn't going to be complete.

He is painting a picture that its the European & American FAs who are trying to 'ruin' football and with the support he currently has, the FAs he bought and paid for are always going to back him to the hilt.


davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Justayellowbadge said:
limpsfield said:
UK banks launch Fifa investigation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32950214

"Two UK banks have started internal reviews into whether they were used for corrupt payments by Fifa officials, the BBC understands.Barclays and Standard Chartered, together with HSBC, were referred to in the FBI indictment of seven senior Fifa officials last week."
Swift, decisive, action from Barclays and HSBC, as one would expect from paragons of probity.

I'm sure lessons will be learnt.
Lessons have been learnt - mainly that US Authorities are not scared to give them financially significant (for the banks) fines, and to imprison executives. They'll find what they're looking for, mainly because they probably already knew about it.

eldar

21,800 posts

197 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32952426

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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eldar said:
Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32952426
Yes, once again he and his 'supporters' miss the point. Regardless of whether he was personally taking money or not, and I would bet that he has been, he should act properly and resign to let someone with still some credibility try to reform FIFA and get rid of the corrupt element. ( assuming that leaves anyone at all!)

I still think he is desperately holding on in some effort to delay the real truth coming out.


Beati Dogu

8,896 posts

140 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Blatter knows that the World Cup is Brazil. They are the team that everyone tunes in to watch, the team the neutrals all support and the one that sponsors spend the most money on (I think.). If they go, his house of cards will come tumbling down. Which is why is the South American FAs are so far in his pocket, they can smell his boxer shorts.

Many South American FAs, including Argentina, voted for Prince Ali bin al-Hussein. Brazil FA's boss, Marco Polo Del Nero and his personal staff fled back home from Switzerland the day before the vote. By sheer coincidence, his predecessor had been arrested in Zurich the day before and Brazil has a limited extradition agreement with the USA. Funny that.