'Peaceful' protest, American style!
Discussion
BlackLabel said:
I don't like religion at all but this is just silly.
And this isn't?
BlackLabel said:
Sure criticise and mock ideologies and religious figures if you want but I'm not sure this is the way to do it..
Bearing in mind that the intention is to obey the law, why is it not the right way?What is the right way, IYO?
Mr GrimNasty said:
Harass a Christian and you get compensation.
Harass a Muslim, and you get locked up. 'Pair jailed for Edinburgh mosque bacon "attack"'.
They are totally different events in different areas of law. Harass a Muslim, and you get locked up. 'Pair jailed for Edinburgh mosque bacon "attack"'.
Rovinghawk said:
Bearing in mind that the intention is to obey the law, why is it not the right way?
What is the right way, IYO?
Probably not encouraging people to take guns would be a good place to start. What is the right way, IYO?
La Liga said:
Rovinghawk said:
Bearing in mind that the intention is to obey the law, why is it not the right way?
What is the right way, IYO?
Probably not encouraging people to take guns would be a good place to start. What is the right way, IYO?
1 They probably carry them regardless of encouragement
2 They're 'encouraged' to obey the law.
I don't see they're doing anything wrong- Islam says very loudly & clearly what it wants regardless of anyone else's views, these guys are going to do exactly the same.
It's more the last line of the post where he talks of a "much anticipated attack", and that being the reason to take guns. That doesn't sound like the mindset of someone wanting a wholly peaceful protest.
I wouldn't support such a thing, but is it any more wrong than going to an Islamic community centre during Friday prayers, having a competition to draw Muhammad and taking firearms?
FB post in bold to keep the formatting said:
ROUND 2!!!!!!! This will be a PEACEFUL protest in front of the Islamic Community Center in Phoenix AZ. This is in response to the recent attack in Texas where 2 armed terrorist [sic], with ties to ISIS, attempted Jihad. Everyone is encouraged to bring American Flags and any message that you would like to send to the known acquaintances of the 2 gunmen. This Islamic Community Center is a known place that the 2 terrorist [sic] frequented. People are also encouraged to utilize there [sic] second amendment right at this event just incase [sic] our first amendment comes under the much anticipated attack.
I'd always suggest one should protest to the limit of how they'd accept being protested against. It says the chap is an ex-marine who may work with war veterans. I wonder how he'd feel and react if those from the community centre turned up on Patriot Day (9/11 remembrance) outside his old Barracks, to protest against Guantanamo Bay, started burning American flags and had encouraged everyone to bring firearms. Is he much less of an acquaintance to the marines who help operate the disgraceful Guantanamo Bay than the Muslims who attend the same community centre as the Texas gunners? I wouldn't support such a thing, but is it any more wrong than going to an Islamic community centre during Friday prayers, having a competition to draw Muhammad and taking firearms?
I find the attitude many British people seem to have towards fundamental freedoms quite depressing.
This is nothing like the Christian bakery case because the law is not compelling the Muslims to do anything. Compelling a Muslim baker to put an image of Mohamed on a cake would be more like it.
Guilt by association - the fact some other people on motorbikes engaged in a shoot out does not make all bikers Violent criminals.
The right to bear arms - something enshrined in American law. I believe in Arizona they have the right to carry them in shopping centres, offices and peaceful protests.
Basic free speech - you have the right to be crass and provocative. You have the right to be unpleasant, and to deliberately say things which will offend people.
I can understand why many people find it distasteful, but freedom of expression in the American sense allows people to make their own judgment about taste. IMO this is a much healthier and ultimately more practical approach to liberty than our own half baked apologetic cowardice when faced with people who would use violence to suppress things which they disapprove of.
This is nothing like the Christian bakery case because the law is not compelling the Muslims to do anything. Compelling a Muslim baker to put an image of Mohamed on a cake would be more like it.
Guilt by association - the fact some other people on motorbikes engaged in a shoot out does not make all bikers Violent criminals.
The right to bear arms - something enshrined in American law. I believe in Arizona they have the right to carry them in shopping centres, offices and peaceful protests.
Basic free speech - you have the right to be crass and provocative. You have the right to be unpleasant, and to deliberately say things which will offend people.
I can understand why many people find it distasteful, but freedom of expression in the American sense allows people to make their own judgment about taste. IMO this is a much healthier and ultimately more practical approach to liberty than our own half baked apologetic cowardice when faced with people who would use violence to suppress things which they disapprove of.
Rovinghawk said:
BlackLabel said:
I don't like religion at all but this is just silly.
And this isn't?BlackLabel said:
Sure criticise and mock ideologies and religious figures if you want but I'm not sure this is the way to do it..
Bearing in mind that the intention is to obey the law, why is it not the right way?What is the right way, IYO?
I am guessing not. They are every bit as idiotic as the bikers who are setting out to deliberately antagonise them.
It seems a lot a smarter than you initially think. He's right, the right to free speech is held holy by Americans and gun touting Muslims turning up to stop art exhibitions is a clear and strong fight against their first amendment.
Turning up to the mosque and drawing cartoons is a huge message back, this couldn't be done in the UK because we don't have the second amendment... They can defend themselves if attacked.
As much as the idea of insulting so many Muslims is retarded and a bit mean, I see the logic.
Turning up to the mosque and drawing cartoons is a huge message back, this couldn't be done in the UK because we don't have the second amendment... They can defend themselves if attacked.
As much as the idea of insulting so many Muslims is retarded and a bit mean, I see the logic.
La Liga said:
'd always suggest one should protest to the limit of how they'd accept being protested against. It says the chap is an ex-marine who may work with war veterans. I wonder how he'd feel and react if those from the community centre turned up on Patriot Day (9/11 remembrance) outside his old Barracks, to protest against Guantanamo Bay, started burning American flags and had encouraged everyone to bring firearms. Is he much less of an acquaintance to the marines who help operate the disgraceful Guantanamo Bay than the Muslims who attend the same community centre as the Texas gunners?
I wouldn't support such a thing, but is it any more wrong than going to an Islamic community centre during Friday prayers, having a competition to draw Muhammad and taking firearms?
You had the people from the Westboro baptist church protest against funerals of soldiers and you'd have a band of old veterans on motorcycles show up to block them so the family won't have to see them or will have people there that will help them.I wouldn't support such a thing, but is it any more wrong than going to an Islamic community centre during Friday prayers, having a competition to draw Muhammad and taking firearms?
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