Petrol theft is not a crime
Discussion
55palfers said:
whilst I am sure the budget situation is hardly helping, the police always seem to have infinite time to fund pointless crap and investigate dumb s
t.Ah Devon & Cornwall. They have just had it quite easy for many years with massive numbers of police with very little crime and more police per head than almost every other area.
They have just decided not to bother going after criminals now instead of working like the rest of the country.
They have just decided not to bother going after criminals now instead of working like the rest of the country.
Its nothing really new.
When i worked in retail (fuel) a few years ago, the police would only take action if they did not come into the shop. IE fill up, get in car and go.
If they came into the shop, bought a drink, said "no fuel" then drove off, the police would not be interested as too hard to prove intent!
There would be around £500-£1000 a week of failure to pay's.
The other trick would be to "forget your wallet" where all you could do is take their details and make them sign a form saying they would pay in 7 days, And take vehicle details, you could not prevent them from leaving or call the police, as proving intent would be very hard.
At least Debt collection would have a reasonable chance of chasing them if there details where correct.
Pay before you fill could actually bring the cost of fuel down, but it will never happen as people don't like change!
When i worked in retail (fuel) a few years ago, the police would only take action if they did not come into the shop. IE fill up, get in car and go.
If they came into the shop, bought a drink, said "no fuel" then drove off, the police would not be interested as too hard to prove intent!
There would be around £500-£1000 a week of failure to pay's.
The other trick would be to "forget your wallet" where all you could do is take their details and make them sign a form saying they would pay in 7 days, And take vehicle details, you could not prevent them from leaving or call the police, as proving intent would be very hard.
At least Debt collection would have a reasonable chance of chasing them if there details where correct.
Pay before you fill could actually bring the cost of fuel down, but it will never happen as people don't like change!
stuttgartmetal said:
You don't order a beer, and pay after you've drunk it.
Pre pay, as per USA is next.
So what.
It'll be cards at the pumps that's all
It'll just cut down on suermarkets at Petrol Stations, because you just won't go in
Next it will be unmanned petrol stations.
Progress.
Won't happen, no money for the retailer in just fuel (ok very minimal), The money is made in the shop.Pre pay, as per USA is next.
So what.
It'll be cards at the pumps that's all
It'll just cut down on suermarkets at Petrol Stations, because you just won't go in
Next it will be unmanned petrol stations.
Progress.
R1 Indy said:
Its nothing really new.
When i worked in retail (fuel) a few years ago, the police would only take action if they did not come into the shop. IE fill up, get in car and go.
If they came into the shop, bought a drink, said "no fuel" then drove off, the police would not be interested as too hard to prove intent!
There would be around £500-£1000 a week of failure to pay's.
The other trick would be to "forget your wallet" where all you could do is take their details and make them sign a form saying they would pay in 7 days, And take vehicle details, you could not prevent them from leaving or call the police, as proving intent would be very hard.
At least Debt collection would have a reasonable chance of chasing them if there details where correct.
Pay before you fill could actually bring the cost of fuel down, but it will never happen as people don't like change!
Mandaory pay before you fill won't happen because Petrol Stations make most of their profits on hugely inflated shop bought items.When i worked in retail (fuel) a few years ago, the police would only take action if they did not come into the shop. IE fill up, get in car and go.
If they came into the shop, bought a drink, said "no fuel" then drove off, the police would not be interested as too hard to prove intent!
There would be around £500-£1000 a week of failure to pay's.
The other trick would be to "forget your wallet" where all you could do is take their details and make them sign a form saying they would pay in 7 days, And take vehicle details, you could not prevent them from leaving or call the police, as proving intent would be very hard.
At least Debt collection would have a reasonable chance of chasing them if there details where correct.
Pay before you fill could actually bring the cost of fuel down, but it will never happen as people don't like change!
That's why there's been a trend of ever increasing shop floor space in Petrol Station shops for the past 20 years.
Scuffers said:
MarshPhantom said:
You do in a lot of countries.
Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
why do we have police then?Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
It's an easy fix for the garages if they want it (pre payment), so why don't they do something about it.
MarshPhantom said:
Is it the police's job to protect the profits of big business? The police tackle all crime and have to prioritize, so should they spend their days chasing people who haven't paid at the petrol station.
It's an easy fix for the garages if they want it (pre payment), so why don't they do something about it.
petrol stations are big business are they?It's an easy fix for the garages if they want it (pre payment), so why don't they do something about it.
so, what size do you have to be before the police start to ignore you?
don't be such a muppet
the major issue for the police is not about money, it's more political
Scuffers said:
MarshPhantom said:
You do in a lot of countries.
Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
why do we have police then?Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
I'd put acting as enforcers for big businesses some way down the list of priorities. So, I'd far rather see Police prioritising domestic burglaries over arresting shopllifters or people making off without paying for petrol.
Retailers moaning winds me up in the same way land owners sometimes moan about parking on their land. Often the solution is a one time investment. E.g pay at pump or a gate.
9mm said:
Scuffers said:
MarshPhantom said:
You do in a lot of countries.
Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
why do we have police then?Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
I'd put acting as enforcers for big businesses some way down the list of priorities. So, I'd far rather see Police prioritising domestic burglaries over arresting shopllifters or people making off without paying for petrol.
Retailers moaning winds me up in the same way land owners sometimes moan about parking on their land. Often the solution is a one time investment. E.g pay at pump or a gate.
9mm said:
Lots of reasons but I'll start with 'protecting citizens' and 'preventing and detecting serious crime'.
I'd put acting as enforcers for big businesses some way down the list of priorities. So, I'd far rather see Police prioritising domestic burglaries over arresting shopllifters or people making off without paying for petrol.
Retailers moaning winds me up in the same way land owners sometimes moan about parking on their land. Often the solution is a one time investment. E.g pay at pump or a gate.
so you don't subscribe to the petty crime leads to serious criminality view then?I'd put acting as enforcers for big businesses some way down the list of priorities. So, I'd far rather see Police prioritising domestic burglaries over arresting shopllifters or people making off without paying for petrol.
Retailers moaning winds me up in the same way land owners sometimes moan about parking on their land. Often the solution is a one time investment. E.g pay at pump or a gate.
I really resent the view that paying money for a technical solution to a social problem is the answer
Negative Creep said:
9mm said:
Scuffers said:
MarshPhantom said:
You do in a lot of countries.
Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
why do we have police then?Theft is theft, but if garages have a problem shouldn't it be down to them to sort it out? Shops that have problems employ security guards, why should garages rely on the Police.
I'd put acting as enforcers for big businesses some way down the list of priorities. So, I'd far rather see Police prioritising domestic burglaries over arresting shopllifters or people making off without paying for petrol.
Retailers moaning winds me up in the same way land owners sometimes moan about parking on their land. Often the solution is a one time investment. E.g pay at pump or a gate.
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