Caitlyn Jenner - Decline and Fall of the American Empire
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It's ok - they're putting a woman on the $10 bill.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/us/portrait-of-a...
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/us/portrait-of-a...
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.
RobinBanks said:
Frank Maloney is an interesting one. The bigot who railed against homosexuals and wants his desire to be known as a woman to be respected.
Sorry, Frank.
Gender identity and sexuality are different things, however given Maloney was married twice when living as Frank there is an obvious disconnect there ( gender identity as a women (even if still closeted), attracted to women ... unless it was some kind of 'lavender union'). Maloney has subsequently claimed these comments were not entirely serious ... Sorry, Frank.
mph1977 said:
Gender identity and sexuality are different things, however given Maloney was married twice when living as Frank there is an obvious disconnect there ( gender identity as a women (even if still closeted), attracted to women ... unless it was some kind of 'lavender union'). Maloney has subsequently claimed these comments were not entirely serious ...
I'm fully aware of those things.However the fact that he was quite unpleasant with his homophobia shows that he had clear disdain and a lack of respect for homosexuals.
So why would he believe that his adopted sexuality is more righteous or respectable?
RobinBanks said:
mph1977 said:
Gender identity and sexuality are different things, however given Maloney was married twice when living as Frank there is an obvious disconnect there ( gender identity as a women (even if still closeted), attracted to women ... unless it was some kind of 'lavender union'). Maloney has subsequently claimed these comments were not entirely serious ...
I'm fully aware of those things.However the fact that he was quite unpleasant with his homophobia shows that he had clear disdain and a lack of respect for homosexuals.
So why would he believe that his adopted sexuality is more righteous or respectable?
Caitlyn Jenner Halloween costume sparks social media outrage
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/24/caitlyn-jenner-hall...
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/24/caitlyn-jenner-hall...
The end of empire might well be signaled by the rise in attention given to Twitter and f'book.
What will cost the Yanks their influence will be their move away from science based decisions because of their religious fanaticism. The cover of Vanity Fair is not a symptom of a country newly obsessed with celebrity. It has been that way for at least a century. It has had film stars on its cover. It has had people who have merely been seen with important people on its cover. At least Jenner has an Olympic gold medal, something of note.
The fall of the British empire, despite the quoted extract from a book earlier in the thread, had nothing to do with compulsory health insurance for the poor. It was dead long before that. India would have left the empire even if my gran had not been able to have her teeth extracted for free. Controversial, but true. It was the two world wars that did for out influence. We were owed money by every country in the world in 1913. By 1945 we had to go to America cap in hand because we were bankrupt. Not like now, but broke. Rationing of essentials ran for twice as long after the war in this country than in Germany. There was no way we could afford to run an empire. Our attempts to keep up the pretence cost us.
That said, the empire brought little to the majority of people in this country. Once money wasn't wasted in trying to keep up with the Yanks, the standard of living - and health care - of the majority went up.
What kill our empire was wars and dreadful financial management between them. It had nothing to do with magazines.
What will cost the Yanks their influence will be their move away from science based decisions because of their religious fanaticism. The cover of Vanity Fair is not a symptom of a country newly obsessed with celebrity. It has been that way for at least a century. It has had film stars on its cover. It has had people who have merely been seen with important people on its cover. At least Jenner has an Olympic gold medal, something of note.
The fall of the British empire, despite the quoted extract from a book earlier in the thread, had nothing to do with compulsory health insurance for the poor. It was dead long before that. India would have left the empire even if my gran had not been able to have her teeth extracted for free. Controversial, but true. It was the two world wars that did for out influence. We were owed money by every country in the world in 1913. By 1945 we had to go to America cap in hand because we were bankrupt. Not like now, but broke. Rationing of essentials ran for twice as long after the war in this country than in Germany. There was no way we could afford to run an empire. Our attempts to keep up the pretence cost us.
That said, the empire brought little to the majority of people in this country. Once money wasn't wasted in trying to keep up with the Yanks, the standard of living - and health care - of the majority went up.
What kill our empire was wars and dreadful financial management between them. It had nothing to do with magazines.
mph1977 said:
yet you confuse gender identiy and sexuality in your response ...
Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I've only just seen this in my reply.My point was merely that I perhaps vindictively and wrongly chose not to respect him as he displayed considerable disdain to a group which faced similar struggles in society.
I want to point out that I use the masculine third person pronoun as at that time the person in question (as far as I know) identified himself as male. I'm don't think it would be appropriate to apply gender identity retrospectively.
I confuse myself sometimes...
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