Amber Peat's Parents: We just want you home.

[Moonhawk]

Timmy40 said:

Moonhawk said:

I wonder how many parents let their kids have mobile phones from a young age because they feel that being able to stay in contact will keep the kid safe.

Rather ironically - allowing them unrestricted access to mobile phone and everything that entails may in fact be causing more harm than good.

The law of unintended consequences?

Why not just get them a basic mobile phone.

Or why give them a mobile at all?

[WestyCarl]

Timmy40 said:

Why not just get them a basic mobile phone.

What like a Nokia 6310! jezz they'll become social leppers, won't be able to show their faces in school, will likely drop out with no qualifications and have to pimp out their bodies for to make a living

[TTwiggy]

croyde said:

He himself is using awful language at home and against his mum (we are separated but amicable)...

I really don't mean to pick on you, as your situation is hardly unique, plus I'm probably in no position to comment as I don't have kids, but... Do you think the fact that you and the kids' mother are seperated might be having more effect on them than social media? It just seems like a bit of a common theme.

[croyde]

Possibly you are right, we live 3 minutes apart and I'm round there loads, but I do think that texting for example is a much easier way to bully and you can do it 24/7.

[TTwiggy]

croyde said:

Possibly you are right, we live 3 minutes apart and I'm round there loads, but I do think that texting for example is a much easier way to bully and you can do it 24/7.

I agree. I remember some awful examples of bullying in my (supposedly nice Grammar) school well over 20 years ago and I shudder to think what it would have been like if the bullies could have carried it on 'after hours'. I don't think I'd want to be a kid now.

[Timmy40]

TTwiggy said:

croyde said:

Possibly you are right, we live 3 minutes apart and I'm round there loads, but I do think that texting for example is a much easier way to bully and you can do it 24/7.

I agree. I remember some awful examples of bullying in my (supposedly nice Grammar) school well over 20 years ago and I shudder to think what it would have been like if the bullies could have carried it on 'after hours'. I don't think I'd want to be a kid now.

Agreed. Also they are so busy with screens I wonder whether they ever spend time looking at the world around them, and using their imaginations rather than staring at a screen. I'm sure it's an addiction.

[croyde]

Timmy40 said:

Agreed. Also they are so busy with screens I wonder whether they ever spend time looking at the world around them, and using their imaginations rather than staring at a screen. I'm sure it's an addiction.

When I was young, about 40 odd years ago, my dad used to take us for long drives in the countryside. We'd happily look out the windows whilst my dad pointed stuff out or played games like 'Pubs and Legs'

Sometimes I take my kids for a drive out and they are bored stiff and complain that they haven't got their phones/tablets with them.

[WestyCarl]

croyde said:

Totally agree yet it's my ex that lets them all have iPhones, even the youngest. I'm 53 and I have never justified the cost of allowing myself a bloody iPhone.

If it were up to me it would be a basic Nokia. Would be good if it only called as text bullying is so easy compared to actually talking to someone.

We went through this recently with my 12yr old. Whether I (being old fashioned dad) like it or not, phones are the currency of the kids today. Much like Lacoste top's or Nike Air's when I was a kid.
It's a difficult one, do you restrict them to just an old phone with the inevitable piss taking and not being part of the whole social media thing (which 90% their friends will be) or do you allow them to take part in it.

[CAPP0]

WestyCarl said:

Timmy40 said:

Why not just get them a basic mobile phone.

What like a Nokia 6310! jezz they'll become social leppers, won't be able to show their faces in school, will likely drop out with no qualifications and have to pimp out their bodies for to make a living

Unfortunately this is probably true, as much as I can see why you would want to go down this route, the ridiculous likelihood is that a kid with an "ordinary" phone might actually get bullied about it.

[EskimoArapaho]

There are some genuine scumbags on PH. Any tragedy is an excuse to roll out their own prejudices. You'd hope that being wrong might make them rethink the prejudice, but sadly not.

This bloke's gone rather quiet since p1:

CAPP0 said:

Moonhawk said:

If the quote is true - I wonder how many people who did cast aspersions on the family will come back and admit their mistake?

For the record, I will, happily (if I remember). I wasn't trying to be any sort of "internet sleuth" or usual suspect, it's just that these things so often roll out the same way. However, let's hope for both the parents' sake that neither of them were involved.

No need for public eating of humble pie, Cappo, just go to this page - https://www.papyrus-uk.org/ - and click the "Donate" button at the top and do the right thing.

[Timmy40]

CAPP0 said:

WestyCarl said:

Timmy40 said:

Why not just get them a basic mobile phone.

What like a Nokia 6310! jezz they'll become social leppers, won't be able to show their faces in school, will likely drop out with no qualifications and have to pimp out their bodies for to make a living

Unfortunately this is probably true, as much as I can see why you would want to go down this route, the ridiculous likelihood is that a kid with an "ordinary" phone might actually get bullied about it.

hmmm Ok being devils advocate I wouldn't send my kid to school in £200 trainers because everyone 'had' to have those, so not having a swanky mobile you can look at arsebook on I don't see as an issue. They can use arsebook at home once homework is done and in a manner than means it can be rationed.

And yes I realise this may be wishful thinking when my lovely little 5 y/o has become a screaming vindictive banschee in about 6 years time ( I'm really looking forward to that ).

[WestyCarl]

Timmy40 said:

CAPP0 said:

WestyCarl said:

Timmy40 said:

Why not just get them a basic mobile phone.

What like a Nokia 6310! jezz they'll become social leppers, won't be able to show their faces in school, will likely drop out with no qualifications and have to pimp out their bodies for to make a living

Unfortunately this is probably true, as much as I can see why you would want to go down this route, the ridiculous likelihood is that a kid with an "ordinary" phone might actually get bullied about it.

hmmm Ok being devils advocate I wouldn't send my kid to school in £200 trainers because everyone 'had' to have those, so not having a swanky mobile you can look at arsebook on I don't see as an issue. They can use arsebook at home once homework is done and in a manner than means it can be rationed.

And yes I realise this may be wishful thinking when my lovely little 5 y/o has become a screaming vindictive banschee in about 6 years time ( I'm really looking forward to that ).

I agree with you, I don't get flash phones. However the fact is, an phones are "the currency" amongst kids, just like trainers when I was at school (how I hated in going to school in £5 market specials and not Nikes)

I choose to get my daughter an iphone (not the latest) but only as I now have great leverage over her for homework / school work, etc

[Timmy40]

WestyCarl said:

Timmy40 said:

CAPP0 said:

WestyCarl said:

Timmy40 said:

Why not just get them a basic mobile phone.

What like a Nokia 6310! jezz they'll become social leppers, won't be able to show their faces in school, will likely drop out with no qualifications and have to pimp out their bodies for to make a living

Unfortunately this is probably true, as much as I can see why you would want to go down this route, the ridiculous likelihood is that a kid with an "ordinary" phone might actually get bullied about it.

hmmm Ok being devils advocate I wouldn't send my kid to school in £200 trainers because everyone 'had' to have those, so not having a swanky mobile you can look at arsebook on I don't see as an issue. They can use arsebook at home once homework is done and in a manner than means it can be rationed.

And yes I realise this may be wishful thinking when my lovely little 5 y/o has become a screaming vindictive banschee in about 6 years time ( I'm really looking forward to that ).

I agree with you, I don't get flash phones. However the fact is, an phones are "the currency" amongst kids, just like trainers when I was at school (how I hated in going to school in £5 market specials and not Nikes)

I choose to get my daughter an iphone (not the latest) but only as I now have great leverage over her for homework / school work, etc

it was trainers when I was at school, although IIRC correctly the most tradable 'currency' was porno mags. Which I suppose don't exist anymore now it's all on the internet. When I was a lad having access to a copy of Razzle had infinite kudos.

[dxg]

BlackLabel said:

iambeowulf said:

BlackLabel said:

Harry H said:

northwest monkey said:

My best mates 14 year old son had a row with his mum a couple of years ago & decided the best thing all round was to tie a rope round his neck and the other end round a door handle and hang himself. His mum took a brew into him in the morning (Fathers Day as it happens) and finds him dead.

Unfortunately, kids do do stupid things sometimes.

Whilst absolutely tragic I would imagine it had nothing to do with the row but the 14 year olds inferiority complex about his height.

L'Wren Scott, Mick Jagger's gf at the time, was 6ft+ and she hanged herself from a door knob with a scarf.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/wren-scott-fas...

grammar correction, 'hanged' not 'hung'.

What's that got to do with a 14yo's suicide?
Look, she was tall and still killed herself!

It's not so much how or what is used. Often drugs or alcohol is involved and the victim(?) becomes unconscious and is unable to remove said ligature.

I was only replying to the poster who seemed to be suggesting that a 14 year old couldn't die in such a way unless they were very very short.

Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 4th June 14:02

It is a popular method in Japan, apparently. I'm not going to go into the mechanics of it on here but, if you know how to position your body, it is perfectly doable in a way that will stop you changing your mind.

It is also one of the reasons why mental health facilities install specialist door ironmongery.

[WestyCarl]

Timmy40 said:

it was trainers when I was at school, although IIRC correctly the most tradable 'currency' was porno mags. Which I suppose don't exist anymore now it's all on the internet. When I was a lad having access to a copy of Razzle had infinite kudos.

Yup, I was the skinny kid always pestering you for a "quick" borrow of your mag

[Moonhawk]

Timmy40 said:

it was trainers when I was at school....

Yep - guy at school had Nike air trainers with a gold swoosh. I coveted them.

I had a pair of Hi-Tec

[BrabusMog]

WestyCarl said:

Timmy40 said:

it was trainers when I was at school, although IIRC correctly the most tradable 'currency' was porno mags. Which I suppose don't exist anymore now it's all on the internet. When I was a lad having access to a copy of Razzle had infinite kudos.

Yup, I was the skinny kid always pestering you for a "quick" borrow of your mag

I found a Club International mag when I was at school in a little bush area near my parents. I used to rent it for £1 a night to people or £1.50 for the whole weekend Never forget that it had a little slogan above the Club logo "Top Shelf, Top Mag!" Unfortunately that little scam/earner ended when a customers mum found it in his room and confiscated it.

I also used to get my older sister to buy me 20 cigarettes a week when they were about £3 a pack. I'd then sell them as singles for 50p each, £7 profit for me!

Factor in the two paper rounds in the evening, one paper round on the weekday mornings, and Saturday job washing cars in the summer and Sunday job on a hot chocolate van in the winter and I had more disposable income than I do now!

My first phone was a 5110 which was the top dog phone until the 3210 came out and all of a sudden my see-through cover, brightly coloured keypad and flashing aerial was just a heap of st that people laughed at!

Edited by BrabusMog on Friday 5th June 14:49

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BrabusMog said:

My first phone was a 5110 which was the top dog phone until the 3210 came out and all of a sudden my see-through cover, brightly coloured keypad and flashing aerial was just a heap of st that people laughed at!

Edited by BrabusMog on Friday 5th June 14:49

Flash git!

[CAPP0]

EskimoArapaho said:

This bloke's gone rather quiet since p1:

CAPP0 said:

For the record, I will, happily (if I remember). I wasn't trying to be any sort of "internet sleuth" or usual suspect, it's just that these things so often roll out the same way. However, let's hope for both the parents' sake that neither of them were involved.

Easy tiger, you might fall off that high horse if you're not careful.

I stand by everything I've said and will comment further when the case is finally put to bed. If I remember.

[HTP99]

It seems that whilst the step dad wasn't directly involved in Amber's death, the sort of person that he was may well have had rather a large contribution to Amber's actions; very sad:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205425/Am...

Sounds a delightful chap.