Black woman turns out to be white
Discussion
Johnnytheboy said:
Most of us don't give two figs what race she is.
Tellingly, the civil rights community do.
Oh fecking do one! Of course the civil rights community give a sTellingly, the civil rights community do.
t that she's white, she has deliberately duped and manipulated them into believing that she was of the same race as them and represented them in an official capacity. I'd be pretty fked off too if I were them. It sounds like a good Moral Maze to me.
I think it was Melanie Phillips that said that Rachel Dolezal's credentials cited eight incidences that may not have happened.
That reminded me of Judge Constance Briscoe's past may not be as represented in books and that medical records may have been fabricated.
I think it was Melanie Phillips that said that Rachel Dolezal's credentials cited eight incidences that may not have happened.
That reminded me of Judge Constance Briscoe's past may not be as represented in books and that medical records may have been fabricated.
VeeDubBigBird said:
Isn't it hypocritical to raise a civil action against her. She might be nuts, but seems to have done a lot of work for naacp.
Maybe she felt her work would only get credibility if she was african-American.
Hell MJ was white when he died and was still considered black.
She has apparently done a lot of good for NAACP and has also apparently directly experienced racial prejudice and discrimination for looking mixed race (even though it turns out she isn't, but merely looks like she is). Maybe she felt her work would only get credibility if she was african-American.
Hell MJ was white when he died and was still considered black.
I don't think it should detract from her achievements in promoting Civil Rights - after all, even white people can be in favour of giving equal rights to black people, just like heterosexual people can be in favour of marriage equality. And by presenting the way she does, perhaps she did feel it gave her more credibility.
However, having said all that, the deceit and misrepresentation is going to now destroy any credibility she may have had. Which in some ways is a shame if she was genuinely doing good work for NAACP.
Edited to add: facts that come out after I wrote this only negate the parts of my post affected by the facts (eg. whether or not she actually suffered persecution) and do not invalidate my overall point.
Edited by JonRB on Thursday 18th June 11:36
JonRB said:
VeeDubBigBird said:
Isn't it hypocritical to raise a civil action against her. She might be nuts, but seems to have done a lot of work for naacp.
Maybe she felt her work would only get credibility if she was african-American.
Hell MJ was white when he died and was still considered black.
She has apparently done a lot of good for NAACP and has also apparently directly experienced racial prejudice and discrimination for looking mixed race (even though it turns out she isn't, but merely looks like she is). Maybe she felt her work would only get credibility if she was african-American.
Hell MJ was white when he died and was still considered black.
I don't think it should detract from her achievements in promoting Civil Rights - after all, even white people can be in favour of giving equal rights to black people, just like heterosexual people can be in favour of marriage equality. And by presenting the way she does, perhaps she did feel it gave her more credibility.
However, having said all that, the deceit and misrepresentation is going to now destroy any credibility she may have had. Which in some ways is a shame if she was genuinely doing good work for NAACP.
irocfan said:
you see all this is true - she might have done sterling work for the NAACP and for African/Americans in general. However she lied on job applications about her ethnicity, she lied to her co-workers at NAACP, lied to her friends... in fact currently it appears that her life is a lie. Virtually a Walter Mitty or some derivative thereof
Indeed. It's the deceit that is the key issue. Which is a shame if she really has been doing good work for NAACP
It's not vastly different to the woman that claimed her fiancée died in the twin towers.
She went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
She went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
irocfan said:
you see all this is true - she might have done sterling work for the NAACP and for African/Americans in general. However she lied on job applications about her ethnicity, she lied to her co-workers at NAACP, lied to her friends... in fact currently it appears that her life is a lie. Virtually a Walter Mitty or some derivative thereof
But surely in a world of equal rights etc. her race should be irrelevant in all those situations.... ? I find it ironic those making a big deal out of this are the ones championing for equal rights - however sometimes I think those campaigning for equal rights are really just concerned with their particularly ethnicity and not too concerned about any other. Justayellowbadge said:
It's not vastly different to the woman that claimed her fiancée died in the twin towers.
She went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
She's not the fiancée of a 9/11 victim; she's a very naughty girl. She went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
toohuge said:
But surely in a world of equal rights etc. her race should be irrelevant in all those situations.... ? I find it ironic those making a big deal out of this are the ones championing for equal rights - however sometimes I think those campaigning for equal rights are really just concerned with their particularly ethnicity and not too concerned about any other.
please say it isn't so!!! I really can't believe that people would do this! 
Justayellowbadge said:
It's not vastly different to the woman that claimed her fiancée died in the twin towers.
She went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
The fShe went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
k???Some people are twisted.
crofty1984 said:
Justayellowbadge said:
It's not vastly different to the woman that claimed her fiancée died in the twin towers.
She went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
The fShe went on to be a leading light of the support group, raised awareness and funds, was instrumental in memorials and the like, met presidents etc etc.
Did an awful lot of good, with one tiny flaw, that being she'd never met the bloke.
k???Some people are twisted.
carinaman said:
Unless I am very much mistaken, you have completely irrelevantly screeched "Look- a lying black" with no other connection to the current thread than the existence of black people. WTF?toohuge said:
irocfan said:
you see all this is true - she might have done sterling work for the NAACP and for African/Americans in general. However she lied on job applications about her ethnicity, she lied to her co-workers at NAACP, lied to her friends... in fact currently it appears that her life is a lie. Virtually a Walter Mitty or some derivative thereof
But surely in a world of equal rights etc. her race should be irrelevant in all those situations.... ? I find it ironic those making a big deal out of this are the ones championing for equal rights - however sometimes I think those campaigning for equal rights are really just concerned with their particularly ethnicity and not too concerned about any other. blindswelledrat said:
Unless I am very much mistaken, you have completely irrelevantly screeched "Look- a lying black" with no other connection to the current thread than the existence of black people. WTF?
I've heard two pieces on Radio 4, inc. their airing of the American interview with Rachel Dolezal where the race hate crimes that she was the victim of, at least one of which involved the police, may not have happened.Former Judge Briscoe did a book called Ugly about her abusive childhood at the hand of her mother. During her trial for Chris Huhne and Vicky Pryce swapping speeding points, Briscoe tried to defend herself with documents that were a bit dodgy or self penned. Briscoe got her independent hand writing expert to verify the handwriting on documents. The handwriting expert was called upon to back up her dodgy documents.
Once the use of dodgy documents in the Huhne & Pryce points swapping escapade was discovered people looked at documents she used to defend herself when her own mother sued her over inaccuracies in her book about her mother abusing her as a child. So it would seem or was proven that the documents Briscoe used when her own mother sued her for the fibs in her book about her mum being nasty to her during her childhood were dodgy.
So she used dodgy documents to defend herself against her mother suing for fibbing about her being a child beating mother.
Before she was unveiled as a fibbing judge was the special minority, I am a black judge that's made it card played?
So Judge Briscoe has told fibs about her past that's helped her personal standing and enriched her, just as this Rachel Dolezal woman in the US has.
They've both played the special, minority card to position themselves even if that's involved fabricating incidences that didn't actually happen to get themselves there?
WTF?
Look at Sam Cook, the teenager that turned a £2K loan from his father into £21 Million in a year playing the stock exchange. He was that successful that he could buy a £170,000 Ferrari for £165,000 even if it is a Ford Cougar DNA phoney Ferrari.
He played the I am a Dsylexic card. So his little scam that looks like a Ponzi scheme or some boiler room scam intent on raking in business for shares or scams was embellished by the fact that he's Dyslexic.
He had people saying 'This is really positive and a good thing that a Dsylexic can make it' and 'Dsylexics don't always prosper in traditional education systems so he's done really well for himself to achieve that. Good on him.'
Part of Sam Cook's scam would seem to be playing the special Dyslexic card.
So it could seem that Dolezal, Judge Briscoe and Sam Cook have all achieved or benefitted by either faking their special persecuted minority card or playing their actual persecuted special minority card?
Look at these people saying MPs and others sexually abused them when they were children at Elm House and Dolphin Square in London. I want to believe them, give them the benefit of the doubt. Women falsely cry rape sometimes.
People like Dolezal and Briscoe fabricating incidences to embellish or validate their special minority victim card makes me doubt people that claim to be victims.
I just hope that 21 year old shooting those people in South Carolina isn't related to this Rachel Dolezal weirdness.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 18th June 20:17
BJG1 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Most of us don't give two figs what race she is.
Tellingly, the civil rights community do.
Oh fecking do one! Of course the civil rights community give a sTellingly, the civil rights community do.
t that she's white, she has deliberately duped and manipulated them into believing that she was of the same race as them and represented them in an official capacity. I'd be pretty fked off too if I were them. It's an interesting debate. It's akin to looking at everything that Tim Westwood has done for MoBo and then asking if he'd still have the respect (or not) that he does (or did) if he'd blacked up instead of doing his "white black man" act.
It's immensely difficult though because you are straying into the same kettle of fish as gender identity and sexual identity - the question of whether to be Confessionist or not. Perhaps she genuinely does believe that she is "black inside" although I think that I have to say that in this instance the subterfuge and deceit outweigh the right to quiet identity, plus I'm not entirely sure that a perceived racial identity is in the same ballpark as gender identity and sexuality.
It's immensely difficult though because you are straying into the same kettle of fish as gender identity and sexual identity - the question of whether to be Confessionist or not. Perhaps she genuinely does believe that she is "black inside" although I think that I have to say that in this instance the subterfuge and deceit outweigh the right to quiet identity, plus I'm not entirely sure that a perceived racial identity is in the same ballpark as gender identity and sexuality.
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