Poor Russell Brand
Discussion
Einion Yrth said:
HewManHeMan said:
Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.
Ah, the usual lies, misrepresentations and insults of the left.I had wondered why you were a left wing voter, and I think I've now managed to put my finger on it; you're gullible and have swallowed the lies handed down by the socialists.
I'll tell you what - I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun; I actually really do have a framed photo of Mrs Thatcher on my office wall. And I'll tell you something else - I care about things like the NHS, I care about the disabled, I care about those genuine people who have fallen on hard times (eg. that person ^^^ up there on about losing jobs etc). This isn't the exclusive preserve of the left.
However when things don't go my way I don't have a riot, I don't start screaming "f
k this, fk that". I get on with it and carry on. I don't intimidate folk who have political beliefs different to mine.But I'll tell you who I don't give a f
k about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases. HewManHeMan said:
Or the preservation of a society that helps those less fortunate?
Say I fall off my super fast carbon road bike and hit my head. I'm off work for months due to injury, I spiral into depression due various factors, my sick pay doesn't happen, I lose interest in my fancy MacBook, iPhone etc. I cant make the car payments; my fancy BMW has to go. I miss the mortgage payments. My swish and fancy house needs to go. I'm mentally and physically unwell, not able to cope.
What happens then? Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.
Then think of the people who're born into less fortunate positions. To whom a MacBook is the absolute last thing on their mind. They're going to be worse off.
It's this 'I'm alright' attitude that baffles me. You may be now, but nothing's permanent. Except for the super rich, that consider even the wealthiest PH'der to be lower class scum. We're all scum in the eyes of the people that run the Tory party. You'd do well to remember that.
What baffles me is why - when you can afford a BMW/fancy house/ MacBook/carbon bike and no doubt several fancy foreign holidays a year - you have not taken the precaution to insure your own health against such an accident?Say I fall off my super fast carbon road bike and hit my head. I'm off work for months due to injury, I spiral into depression due various factors, my sick pay doesn't happen, I lose interest in my fancy MacBook, iPhone etc. I cant make the car payments; my fancy BMW has to go. I miss the mortgage payments. My swish and fancy house needs to go. I'm mentally and physically unwell, not able to cope.
What happens then? Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.
Then think of the people who're born into less fortunate positions. To whom a MacBook is the absolute last thing on their mind. They're going to be worse off.
It's this 'I'm alright' attitude that baffles me. You may be now, but nothing's permanent. Except for the super rich, that consider even the wealthiest PH'der to be lower class scum. We're all scum in the eyes of the people that run the Tory party. You'd do well to remember that.
Ah right, I get it, you decided not to bother and would rather rely on the tax taken from the poorest members of society to cover your own selfish indolence. No, you'd rather spend the money on yet more vanity-based material possessions. Greedy self-serving people like you make me sick.
Andy Zarse said:
HewManHeMan said:
Or the preservation of a society that helps those less fortunate?
Say I fall off my super fast carbon road bike and hit my head. I'm off work for months due to injury, I spiral into depression due various factors, my sick pay doesn't happen, I lose interest in my fancy MacBook, iPhone etc. I cant make the car payments; my fancy BMW has to go. I miss the mortgage payments. My swish and fancy house needs to go. I'm mentally and physically unwell, not able to cope.
What happens then? Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.
Then think of the people who're born into less fortunate positions. To whom a MacBook is the absolute last thing on their mind. They're going to be worse off.
It's this 'I'm alright' attitude that baffles me. You may be now, but nothing's permanent. Except for the super rich, that consider even the wealthiest PH'der to be lower class scum. We're all scum in the eyes of the people that run the Tory party. You'd do well to remember that.
What baffles me is why - when you can afford a BMW/fancy house/ MacBook/carbon bike and no doubt several fancy foreign holidays a year - you have not taken the precaution to insure your own health against such an accident?Say I fall off my super fast carbon road bike and hit my head. I'm off work for months due to injury, I spiral into depression due various factors, my sick pay doesn't happen, I lose interest in my fancy MacBook, iPhone etc. I cant make the car payments; my fancy BMW has to go. I miss the mortgage payments. My swish and fancy house needs to go. I'm mentally and physically unwell, not able to cope.
What happens then? Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.
Then think of the people who're born into less fortunate positions. To whom a MacBook is the absolute last thing on their mind. They're going to be worse off.
It's this 'I'm alright' attitude that baffles me. You may be now, but nothing's permanent. Except for the super rich, that consider even the wealthiest PH'der to be lower class scum. We're all scum in the eyes of the people that run the Tory party. You'd do well to remember that.
Ah right, I get it, you decided not to bother and would rather rely on the tax taken from the poorest members of society to cover your own selfish indolence. No, you'd rather spend the money on yet more vanity-based material possessions. Greedy self-serving people like you make me sick.
Dog Star said:
Einion Yrth said:
HewManHeMan said:
Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.
Ah, the usual lies, misrepresentations and insults of the left.I had wondered why you were a left wing voter, and I think I've now managed to put my finger on it; you're gullible and have swallowed the lies handed down by the socialists.
I'll tell you what - I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun; I actually really do have a framed photo of Mrs Thatcher on my office wall. And I'll tell you something else - I care about things like the NHS, I care about the disabled, I care about those genuine people who have fallen on hard times (eg. that person ^^^ up there on about losing jobs etc). This isn't the exclusive preserve of the left.
However when things don't go my way I don't have a riot, I don't start screaming "f
k this, fk that". I get on with it and carry on. I don't intimidate folk who have political beliefs different to mine.But I'll tell you who I don't give a f
k about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases. Thatcher, though?!
HewManHeMan said:
Good grief. Have a look around at what's actually going on. Engage with local communities. Open your eyes.
That is not an answer to how you can be so certain of the attitudes of people at the top of the Conservative party. Engage with local communities? OK, you are assuming that people do not already. Are you also implying in this that things were not bad in the Labour years..... ? There were 13 years of Labour government, were things sooooo much better then? But let's leave that aside for a moment and deal with the specifics of your claim...So having engaged with the local community, (assuming I have not already) can you outline what you expect me to observe that is so much worse now than it was under Labour? You know what I mean, those things that prove that the Tories all think we are scum.. After all, it should be easy for a man of the people such as yourself to highlight just a few clear, salient issues.
You see, my problem with people like you is that you spout the "Tories think we're all scum" rhetoric as if you have facts to support your assertion, when in fact the reality is that you don't. You're just another silly little class warrior like Brand, Church et al. Ms Church says she'd be happy to pay 70% tax if only they'd let her. Well newsflash dearie, there's nothing to stop you getting your cheque book out and writing a nice big extra payment to HMRC.
Edited by andymadmak on Monday 22 June 14:38
andymadmak said:
Well newsflash dearie, there's nothing to stop you getting your cheque book out and righting a nice big extra payment to HMRC.
In agreement with you on most things andy but this needs clarification. Couple of years ago I realised I would be looking at a pretty major tax bill come the end of he year, had a bit of spare sloshing about so I sent off a lump to the HMRC with my tax details etc to get in credit, they returned it. Said they couldn't accept monies that weren't properly tax audited or some such.
Dog Star said:
Einion Yrth said:
HewManHeMan said:
Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.
Ah, the usual lies, misrepresentations and insults of the left.I had wondered why you were a left wing voter, and I think I've now managed to put my finger on it; you're gullible and have swallowed the lies handed down by the socialists.
I'll tell you what - I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun; I actually really do have a framed photo of Mrs Thatcher on my office wall. And I'll tell you something else - I care about things like the NHS, I care about the disabled, I care about those genuine people who have fallen on hard times (eg. that person ^^^ up there on about losing jobs etc). This isn't the exclusive preserve of the left.
However when things don't go my way I don't have a riot, I don't start screaming "f
k this, fk that". I get on with it and carry on. I don't intimidate folk who have political beliefs different to mine.But I'll tell you who I don't give a f
k about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases. The moment they have to put their hands in THEIR pockets, they seem to go all quiet.
I wonder if Ms Church and Mr Brand, who are both multi millionaires will be giving all THEIR millions to those who are not as well off as themselves?
As I am galaxies away from having the kind of wealth they have, I wonder if they wouldn't mind just giving me (GIVING me mind! not loaning) a few thousand quid? 20 thousand would be nice, but if they could see their way to perhaps 30 thousand, that would be absolutely peachy, and then I would be so able to believe that perhaps socialist really do `care'??? which currently I absolutely cannot!
andymadmak said:
HewManHeMan said:
Good grief. Have a look around at what's actually going on. Engage with local communities. Open your eyes.
That is not an answer to how you can be so certain of the attitudes of people at the top of the Conservative party. Engage with local communities? OK, you are assuming that people do not already. Are you also implying in this that things were not bad in the Labour years..... ? There were 13 years of Labour government, were things sooooo much better then? But let's leave that aside for a moment and deal with the specifics of your claim...So having engaged with the local community, (assuming I have not already) can you outline what you expect me to observe that is so much worse now than it was under Labour? You know what I mean, those things that prove that the Tories all think we are scum.. After all, it should be easy for a man of the people such as yourself to highlight just a few clear, salient issues.
You see, my problem with people like you is that you spout the "Tories think we're all scum" rhetoric as if you have facts to support your assertion, when in fact the reality is that you don't. You're just another silly little class warrior like Brand, Church et al. Ms Church says she'd be happy to pay 70% tax if only they'd let her. Well newsflash dearie, there's nothing to stop you getting your cheque book out and writing a nice big extra payment to HMRC.
Edited by andymadmak on Monday 22 June 14:38
br d said:
andymadmak said:
Well newsflash dearie, there's nothing to stop you getting your cheque book out and righting a nice big extra payment to HMRC.
In agreement with you on most things andy but this needs clarification. Couple of years ago I realised I would be looking at a pretty major tax bill come the end of he year, had a bit of spare sloshing about so I sent off a lump to the HMRC with my tax details etc to get in credit, they returned it. Said they couldn't accept monies that weren't properly tax audited or some such.
HewManHeMan said:
andymadmak said:
HewManHeMan said:
Good grief. Have a look around at what's actually going on. Engage with local communities. Open your eyes.
That is not an answer to how you can be so certain of the attitudes of people at the top of the Conservative party. Engage with local communities? OK, you are assuming that people do not already. Are you also implying in this that things were not bad in the Labour years..... ? There were 13 years of Labour government, were things sooooo much better then? But let's leave that aside for a moment and deal with the specifics of your claim...So having engaged with the local community, (assuming I have not already) can you outline what you expect me to observe that is so much worse now than it was under Labour? You know what I mean, those things that prove that the Tories all think we are scum.. After all, it should be easy for a man of the people such as yourself to highlight just a few clear, salient issues.
You see, my problem with people like you is that you spout the "Tories think we're all scum" rhetoric as if you have facts to support your assertion, when in fact the reality is that you don't. You're just another silly little class warrior like Brand, Church et al. Ms Church says she'd be happy to pay 70% tax if only they'd let her. Well newsflash dearie, there's nothing to stop you getting your cheque book out and writing a nice big extra payment to HMRC.
Edited by andymadmak on Monday 22 June 14:38
As I thought
Well done for proving me so comprehensively right
audidoody said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
aybe it's because they actually care?
Do you think it was only Lefties who protested the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? I'd like to hope not, but it sounds like in your opinion its possible that everyone else just sat back and couldn't care less.
Lefties don't 'care'. Not in the pure definition of the word. I’m tired of these self-righteous mainly white, bourgeois liberals and pretend Communists who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there are too many people who have more stuff than them. Besides, Lefties don’t give a sDo you think it was only Lefties who protested the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? I'd like to hope not, but it sounds like in your opinion its possible that everyone else just sat back and couldn't care less.
t about the poor and vulnerable. Not in the abstract. You think a Leftie 'cares' about some squaddie who had his legs blown off in the war? You think Lefties 'care' about Cameron's dead child? You know what they are interested in? Screwing those who have been more successful in life.That isn't an opinion that I share.
Dog Star said:
But I'll tell you who I don't give a fk about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases.
See, I look at these troubled people and I do feel sorry for them. I doubt any of them were fortunate enough to have the kind of upbringing I did. If you don't give a sk about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases. t about these people, I think that makes you a bad person. SpeedMattersNot said:
audidoody said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
aybe it's because they actually care?
Do you think it was only Lefties who protested the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? I'd like to hope not, but it sounds like in your opinion its possible that everyone else just sat back and couldn't care less.
Lefties don't 'care'. Not in the pure definition of the word. I’m tired of these self-righteous mainly white, bourgeois liberals and pretend Communists who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there are too many people who have more stuff than them. Besides, Lefties don’t give a sDo you think it was only Lefties who protested the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? I'd like to hope not, but it sounds like in your opinion its possible that everyone else just sat back and couldn't care less.
t about the poor and vulnerable. Not in the abstract. You think a Leftie 'cares' about some squaddie who had his legs blown off in the war? You think Lefties 'care' about Cameron's dead child? You know what they are interested in? Screwing those who have been more successful in life.That isn't an opinion that I share.
Dog Star said:
But I'll tell you who I don't give a fk about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases.
See, I look at these troubled people and I do feel sorry for them. I doubt any of them were fortunate enough to have the kind of upbringing I did. If you don't give a sk about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases. t about these people, I think that makes you a bad person. They are almost child like in their belief that there is always `someone up there' who has access to the magic money tree (money that does not have to be earned) and will hand them out money and benefits ad-infinitum, and they wont ever have to do anything for it.
SpeedMattersNot said:
ee, I look at these troubled people and I do feel sorry for them. I doubt any of them were fortunate enough to have the kind of upbringing I did. If you don't give a st about these people, I think that makes you a bad person.
I don't. It's not where you come from that counts, it's where you are going.t about these people, I think that makes you a bad person. I've known loads of people from 'poor' backgrounds who have made a success of themselves in spite of background, family etc. How? Desire, effort and hard work.
Opportunities are out there if people want them.
Pan Pan Pan said:
These `troubled people' don't give a sh*t about anyone else, only themselves, and how to get their hands on money and things they have not earned (but other people have had to)
They are almost child like in their belief that there is always `someone up there' who has access to the magic money tree (money that does not have to be earned) and will hand them out money and benefits ad-infinitum, and they wont ever have to do anything for it.
Do you think it is nature, or nurture? They are almost child like in their belief that there is always `someone up there' who has access to the magic money tree (money that does not have to be earned) and will hand them out money and benefits ad-infinitum, and they wont ever have to do anything for it.
If you believe it's already pre-determined these people will turn out a certain way, how do you propose we keep them under control? If, like me, you assume there's a spectrum between nature and nurture, depending on every individual, then there has to be a way to 'fix' them, so to speak.
Although, it's worrying that in the Immigrants at Calais thread, some posters are suggesting we should just kill them, nothing surprises me on here any more.
technodup said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
ee, I look at these troubled people and I do feel sorry for them. I doubt any of them were fortunate enough to have the kind of upbringing I did. If you don't give a st about these people, I think that makes you a bad person.
I don't. It's not where you come from that counts, it's where you are going.t about these people, I think that makes you a bad person. I've known loads of people from 'poor' backgrounds who have made a success of themselves in spite of background, family etc. How? Desire, effort and hard work.
Opportunities are out there if people want them.
Notice I did not mention anything to do with wealth, the naughtiest, most troubled child at the school my wife teaches at was from an incredibly wealthy background. But the parents did not care, nor inspire this child.
There are of course people who are genuinely, absolutely disgusting people and feel it is acceptable to screw anyone over at any cost. But this is NOT exclusive of the poor and less fortunate.
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