Poor Russell Brand

[Mark Benson]

andymadmak said:

br d said:

andymadmak said:

Well newsflash dearie, there's nothing to stop you getting your cheque book out and righting a nice big extra payment to HMRC.

In agreement with you on most things andy but this needs clarification.
Couple of years ago I realised I would be looking at a pretty major tax bill come the end of he year, had a bit of spare sloshing about so I sent off a lump to the HMRC with my tax details etc to get in credit, they returned it. Said they couldn't accept monies that weren't properly tax audited or some such.

Crikey. That is a shock. So, it's not possible to pay more tax than you're legally required to? Stunning. Perhaps it explains how Ms Church can bleat on about REALLY wanting to pay 70% tax - after all she knows that the majority are never going to vote for such a tax rate, so she and her bank account are SAFE from ever being called to answer he pledge! (cynical? moi?)

She could start by making sure the accountants (Thomas Harris) that look after the affairs of her 5 separate companies (can't be she has 5 companies for tax reasons, surely) ensure they refrain from;

"Lowering and deferring tax is, of course, a key aim by taking advantage of allowances and reliefs of which many people are unaware."

As their website boasts.

[HewManHeMan]

Some Gump said:

HewManHeMan said:

Good grief. Have a look around at what's actually going on. Engage with local communities. Open your eyes.

You, sir, are making a fantastic case for the "lefties just spout unsubstatiated st" camp.

Or just unwilling to engage with right leaning idiots on an internet forum?

My first post was a mistake, not because I'm back tracking, but because I don't have the will to argue with the weirdos on this thread.

[Zod]

The idiot is you, thinking you are justified in your hyperbolic claims about a centre-right government. Your opinions are absurd.

[anonymous-user]

Dog Star said:

This is what really gets on my tits: I see it on arsebook - and here it is again - this belief that only the left can "care"; only they care about the NHS and "the less fortunate".

I'll tell you what - I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun; I actually really do have a framed photo of Mrs Thatcher on my office wall. And I'll tell you something else - I care about things like the NHS, I care about the disabled, I care about those genuine people who have fallen on hard times (eg. that person ^^^ up there on about losing jobs etc). This isn't the exclusive preserve of the left.

However when things don't go my way I don't have a riot, I don't start screaming "fk this, fk that". I get on with it and carry on. I don't intimidate folk who have political beliefs different to mine.

But I'll tell you who I don't give a fk about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases.

Great post, my exact thoughts put into writing.

[Pan Pan Pan]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

These `troubled people' don't give a sh*t about anyone else, only themselves, and how to get their hands on money and things they have not earned (but other people have had to)
They are almost child like in their belief that there is always `someone up there' who has access to the magic money tree (money that does not have to be earned) and will hand them out money and benefits ad-infinitum, and they wont ever have to do anything for it.

Do you think it is nature, or nurture?

If you believe it's already pre-determined these people will turn out a certain way, how do you propose we keep them under control? If, like me, you assume there's a spectrum between nature and nurture, depending on every individual, then there has to be a way to 'fix' them, so to speak.

Although, it's worrying that in the Immigrants at Calais thread, some posters are suggesting we should just kill them, nothing surprises me on here any more.

In this country it is possible for anyone to go from the hardest humblest beginnings, to the highest positions, if they are prepared to work hard, and have a suitable level of intelligence ( and in most cases `some' luck, but as Tiger Woods once said `strangely the harder I work. the more luck I get')
That is why people can come here from all over the world, and get on well here.
To some of these particular people, those here on average UK benefits live like Kings, compared to where `they' came from. If they can do it, why cant the indigenous feckless, who were given far more life chances than many of these much, much poorer individuals.
Like I said these `troubled people' don't care about anyone but themselves and what they can get (for nothing) out of the `system'
It has nothing to do peoples origins, only (despite adversities) in their willingness and ability to use what God gave them to the utmost of their lives. and not rely on hands outs from above.

[Einion Yrth]

HewManHeMan said:

Or just unwilling to engage with right leaning idiots on an internet forum?

My first post was a mistake, not because I'm back tracking, but because I don't have the will to argue with the weirdos on this thread.

Amazing, you have no answer to some perfectly cogent points put to you, so you immediately resort to insult; and yet somehow you are the intelligent one?

I should coco.

[Some Gump]

Whatever chief. You can resort to the "you're too stupid to understand" defence all you like, but you yourself were the one to lead with the accusation that all Tories are secretly (or not so secretly) evil bds of some sort. To prove it, you've simply said "look around at your local community". Both are fully unsubstantiated comments.

So, what should I be looking for, specifically? When I see it, how do I pigeon hole it to be the fault of 1 specific set of politicians? You made the claim, I'm saying "citation needed".

Now I realise that calling custard on these makes me some form of nutter right wing type - allegedly. However, my personal bugbear is that my parents generation's government spent money they didn't have safe in the assumption that my generation would sort the st out later. Our generation's government is doing the same, but more. What about future generations?

I fully comprehend that my concern for the future for my son and his kids at some point in the future makes me somewhat akin to Hitler, with a bit of Enoch Powell on the side. I accept that it makes me some sort of git that only cares about the rich at the expense of the hard working masses because "I'm alright, Jack". The question is - who is looking after the future for all of our kids?*

Yes, I realise I've just paraphrased the PH bible (Daily Wail) and asked "won't someone think of the children". However, as a brainless right wing mong, I can't form an opinion of my own and they told me what to think.

[anonymous-user]

HewManHeMan said:

Or just unwilling to engage with right leaning idiots on an internet forum?

My first post was a mistake, not because I'm back tracking, but because I don't have the will to argue with the weirdos on this thread.

So we are all 'right wing sociopaths' and now 'idiots' and 'weirdos'. Well done, you're really sticking it to the filthy Tories!

[wobert]

HewManHeMan said:

Or the preservation of a society that helps those less fortunate?

Say I fall off my super fast carbon road bike and hit my head. I'm off work for months due to injury, I spiral into depression due various factors, my sick pay doesn't happen, I lose interest in my fancy MacBook, iPhone etc. I cant make the car payments; my fancy BMW has to go. I miss the mortgage payments. My swish and fancy house needs to go. I'm mentally and physically unwell, not able to cope.

What happens then?

If that happened to me, then I would be claiming on my income protection policy, which covers ALL eventualities upto my 65th birthday.

It pays out 90% of my current net income per month until I retire.

It costs me £85 pm to put the policy in place, but hey, you never know what might be around the corner, so for piece of mind I decided it was a worthwhile outlay.

Given I have dependents I thought it a responsible thing to do, if for whatever reason I'm not able to earn a crust.

Edited by wobert on Monday 22 June 15:47

[SpeedMattersNot]

Pan Pan Pan said:

In this country it is possible for anyone to go from the hardest humblest beginnings, to the highest positions, if they are prepared to work hard, and have a suitable level of intelligence ( and in most cases `some' luck, but as Tiger Woods once said `strangely the harder I work. the more luck I get')
That is why people can come here from all over the world, and get on well here.
To some of these particular people, those here on average UK benefits live like Kings, compared to where `they' came from. If they can do it, why cant the indigenous feckless, who were given far more life chances than many of these much, much poorer individuals.
Like I said these `troubled people' don't care about anyone but themselves and what they can get (for nothing) out of the `system'
It has nothing to do peoples origins, only (despite adversities) in their willingness and ability to use what God gave them to the utmost of their lives. and not rely on hands outs from above.

I agree about the individuals that are driven enough to leave their families behind and work hard in a foreign country. I have a Hungarian friend who I have a lot of respect for and he puts most people to shame, in terms of his work ethic and maximising his potential. But he was still raised like this by his parents, in an environment where the harder he worked, the more he achieved and he has carried this through into our country where he'll be a good asset for the UK in the near future.

Re-wind to the original point though, I will have to disagree that anyone can do it. We may all possess this capacity but realising it and exploiting it is another thing.

I believe for the few that come from less fortunate backgrounds than myself, of many who I met working as a mechanic, I do not hold a grudge against those that feel they are owed something - and these are the ones who are at least working! I genuinely feel lucky to be more intelligent than them and have come from a better, more supportive background.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[FredClogs]

wobert said:

If that happened to me, then I would be claiming on my income protection policy, which covers ALL eventualities upto my 65th birthday.

Don't kid yourself Wobert.

[wobert]

FredClogs said:

Don't kid yourself Wobert.

It's not your standard IPP, it's a bespoke policy to provide coverage should I not be able to do my current job, for whatever reason, hence the monthly outlay.....

[Pan Pan Pan]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

In this country it is possible for anyone to go from the hardest humblest beginnings, to the highest positions, if they are prepared to work hard, and have a suitable level of intelligence ( and in most cases `some' luck, but as Tiger Woods once said `strangely the harder I work. the more luck I get')
That is why people can come here from all over the world, and get on well here.
To some of these particular people, those here on average UK benefits live like Kings, compared to where `they' came from. If they can do it, why cant the indigenous feckless, who were given far more life chances than many of these much, much poorer individuals.
Like I said these `troubled people' don't care about anyone but themselves and what they can get (for nothing) out of the `system'
It has nothing to do peoples origins, only (despite adversities) in their willingness and ability to use what God gave them to the utmost of their lives. and not rely on hands outs from above.

I agree about the individuals that are driven enough to leave their families behind and work hard in a foreign country. I have a Hungarian friend who I have a lot of respect for and he puts most people to shame, in terms of his work ethic and maximising his potential. But he was still raised like this by his parents, in an environment where the harder he worked, the more he achieved and he has carried this through into our country where he'll be a good asset for the UK in the near future.

Re-wind to the original point though, I will have to disagree that anyone can do it. We may all possess this capacity but realising it and exploiting it is another thing.

I believe for the few that come from less fortunate backgrounds than myself, of many who I met working as a mechanic, I do not hold a grudge against those that feel they are owed something - and these are the ones who are at least working! I genuinely feel lucky to be more intelligent than them and have come from a better, more supportive background.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I am not saying that `everyone' can be a company director, in the same way that not everyone can be a fighter pilot or a skilled surgeon. Doing these types of jobs requires a specific level of intelligence, and other skill sets. But such intelligence and skills sets are not the sole pre
serve of the `rich' that the socialists bleat on about all the time. A person from a poor background
can have these attributes and still make a success of themselves.
My Dad was prepared to work his socks off, and whilst coming from humble beginnings, we did quite well, and he passed the `always do your best' work ethic to my siblings and 1.
But the point that brought the attitudinal differences home to me, was at school. It was nothing special just a secondary modern, and I was a long, long way off being the sharpest tool in the box even there. Some other kids there took the p*ss out of me for always trying to do my best, and the ones who did this most, were the council house dwelling, have a fag around the bike sheds when they should have been in class know it all

[Andy Zarse]

HewManHeMan said:

Andy Zarse said:

HewManHeMan said:

Or the preservation of a society that helps those less fortunate?

Say I fall off my super fast carbon road bike and hit my head. I'm off work for months due to injury, I spiral into depression due various factors, my sick pay doesn't happen, I lose interest in my fancy MacBook, iPhone etc. I cant make the car payments; my fancy BMW has to go. I miss the mortgage payments. My swish and fancy house needs to go. I'm mentally and physically unwell, not able to cope.

What happens then? Because neither David Cameron or the Right Wing sociopaths here are interested in helping me out.

Then think of the people who're born into less fortunate positions. To whom a MacBook is the absolute last thing on their mind. They're going to be worse off.

It's this 'I'm alright' attitude that baffles me. You may be now, but nothing's permanent. Except for the super rich, that consider even the wealthiest PH'der to be lower class scum. We're all scum in the eyes of the people that run the Tory party. You'd do well to remember that.

What baffles me is why - when you can afford a BMW/fancy house/ MacBook/carbon bike and no doubt several fancy foreign holidays a year - you have not taken the precaution to insure your own health against such an accident?

Ah right, I get it, you decided not to bother and would rather rely on the tax taken from the poorest members of society to cover your own selfish indolence. No, you'd rather spend the money on yet more vanity-based material possessions. Greedy self-serving people like you make me sick.

Haha. I cant help but feel you've missed the wider point (if you're being serious?)

Tongue in cheek (I though obviously?) but my wider point was almost nobody these days insures themselves. Their possessions sure, nobody does TPFT on a new BMW, but insure your own body and income? Forget it! Much easier to go crying to the State...

[Pan Pan Pan]

Pan Pan Pan said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

In this country it is possible for anyone to go from the hardest humblest beginnings, to the highest positions, if they are prepared to work hard, and have a suitable level of intelligence ( and in most cases `some' luck, but as Tiger Woods once said `strangely the harder I work. the more luck I get')
That is why people can come here from all over the world, and get on well here.
To some of these particular people, those here on average UK benefits live like Kings, compared to where `they' came from. If they can do it, why cant the indigenous feckless, who were given far more life chances than many of these much, much poorer individuals.
Like I said these `troubled people' don't care about anyone but themselves and what they can get (for nothing) out of the `system'
It has nothing to do peoples origins, only (despite adversities) in their willingness and ability to use what God gave them to the utmost of their lives. and not rely on hands outs from above.

I agree about the individuals that are driven enough to leave their families behind and work hard in a foreign country. I have a Hungarian friend who I have a lot of respect for and he puts most people to shame, in terms of his work ethic and maximising his potential. But he was still raised like this by his parents, in an environment where the harder he worked, the more he achieved and he has carried this through into our country where he'll be a good asset for the UK in the near future.

Re-wind to the original point though, I will have to disagree that anyone can do it. We may all possess this capacity but realising it and exploiting it is another thing.

I believe for the few that come from less fortunate backgrounds than myself, of many who I met working as a mechanic, I do not hold a grudge against those that feel they are owed something - and these are the ones who are at least working! I genuinely feel lucky to be more intelligent than them and have come from a better, more supportive background.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I am not saying that `everyone' can be a company director, in the same way that not everyone can be a fighter pilot or a skilled surgeon. Doing these types of jobs requires a specific level of intelligence, and other skill sets. But such intelligence and skills sets are not the sole pre
serve of the `rich' that the socialists bleat on about all the time. A person from a poor background
can have these attributes and still make a success of themselves.
My Dad was prepared to work his socks off, and whilst coming from humble beginnings, we did quite well, and he passed the `always do your best' work ethic to my siblings and 1.
But the point that brought the attitudinal differences home to me, was school. It was nothing special just a secondary modern, and I was a long, long way off being the sharpest tool in the box even there.
Some other kids there took the p*ss out of me for always trying to work hard and do my best, and the ones who did this most, were the, have a fag around the bike sheds when and they should have been in class, I already know it all, school is just crap, kids, who came from council houses with vote labour placards on them.
Some years later I saw one of these individuals who had been particularly mocking and nasty standing at a bus stop, whilst I drove past him in my new sports car! that I had worked hard and saved for.
We both recognised each other, and he looked a bit embarrassed and immediately turned away.
He had been given exactly the same schooling as me, and in all probability was much brighter, but brought down by what I refer to as the `council house mentality' that is the key difference between
those who support the left and the right, and I have seen nothing which leads me to change that view.

Apologies for prematurely sent off post.

[Dog Star]

fblm said:

The only society the left in Britain wish to preserve is their client base dependent on handouts.

There's a lot of people who are dependent on benefits - and in a surprising way.

Back in 2009/2010 I was a "stage 3" (long term unemployed) adviser in my local Job Centre. Fascinating job.

One chap who was on my caseload - very nice chap - was in the position that sadly his wife had died and he had a little school-age daughter.

The thing was that after housing benefit and other entitlements he received (he'd been made redundant so no fault of his own) he would have needed a job on more than around 25K to make it worth his while to work, and for manual type workers in Rochdale 25K a year isn't realistic. And that would have just put him to a similar position to where he was on the dole; he would also have needed a job without shifts that would accomodate his daughters school hours etc. That or pay a child minder. Even I knew that it would be ridiculous to put the fellow through all the job centre hoops and interviews etc. This guy was no layabout - he was just a regular, honest chap.

[FredClogs]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I am not saying that `everyone' can be a company director, in the same way that not everyone can be a fighter pilot or a skilled surgeon. Doing these types of jobs requires a specific level of intelligence, and other skill sets. But such intelligence and skills sets are not the sole pre
serve of the `rich' that the socialists bleat on about all the time. A person from a poor background
can have these attributes and still make a success of themselves.
My Dad was prepared to work his socks off, and whilst coming from humble beginnings, we did quite well, and he passed the `always do your best' work ethic to my siblings and 1.
But the point that brought the attitudinal differences home to me, was school. It was nothing special just a secondary modern, and I was a long, long way off being the sharpest tool in the box even there.
Some other kids there took the p*ss out of me for always trying to work hard and do my best, and the ones who did this most, were the, have a fag around the bike sheds when and they should have been in class, I already know it all, school is just crap, kids, who came from council houses with vote labour placards on them.
Some years later I saw one of these individuals who had been particularly mocking and nasty standing at a bus stop, whilst I drove past him in my new sports car! that I had worked hard and saved for.
We both recognised each other, and he looked a bit embarrassed and immediately turned away.
He had been given exactly the same schooling as me, and in all probability was much brighter, but brought down by what I refer to as the `council house mentality' that is the key difference between
those who support the left and the right, and I have seen nothing which leads me to change that view.

Apologies for prematurely sent off post.

Pan Pan Pan represents what I refer to as 'Wimpy housed, failed 11 plus, wannabee, narcissistic, paranoid, gotta have a new car, cut the lawn so the neighbors don't natter mentality'

[dudleybloke]

In Brand's case V.I.P means Verminous Impudent Ponce.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Dog Star said:

fblm said:

The only society the left in Britain wish to preserve is their client base dependent on handouts.

There's a lot of people who are dependent on benefits - and in a surprising way.

Back in 2009/2010 I was a "stage 3" (long term unemployed) adviser in my local Job Centre. Fascinating job.

One chap who was on my caseload - very nice chap - was in the position that sadly his wife had died and he had a little school-age daughter.

The thing was that after housing benefit and other entitlements he received (he'd been made redundant so no fault of his own) he would have needed a job on more than around 25K to make it worth his while to work, and for manual type workers in Rochdale 25K a year isn't realistic. And that would have just put him to a similar position to where he was on the dole; he would also have needed a job without shifts that would accomodate his daughters school hours etc. That or pay a child minder. Even I knew that it would be ridiculous to put the fellow through all the job centre hoops and interviews etc. This guy was no layabout - he was just a regular, honest chap.

That's is the point. The benefits system was put in place to help people just like him. and the fact that he was made redundant showed, that at least he had got off his backside and held down a job,
It is the can work, but don't want to work types, (who fulfil the dictionary definition of a parasite) who cause the problems for the benefits system.

[andymadmak]

FredClogs said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I am not saying that `everyone' can be a company director, in the same way that not everyone can be a fighter pilot or a skilled surgeon. Doing these types of jobs requires a specific level of intelligence, and other skill sets. But such intelligence and skills sets are not the sole pre
serve of the `rich' that the socialists bleat on about all the time. A person from a poor background
can have these attributes and still make a success of themselves.
My Dad was prepared to work his socks off, and whilst coming from humble beginnings, we did quite well, and he passed the `always do your best' work ethic to my siblings and 1.
But the point that brought the attitudinal differences home to me, was school. It was nothing special just a secondary modern, and I was a long, long way off being the sharpest tool in the box even there.
Some other kids there took the p*ss out of me for always trying to work hard and do my best, and the ones who did this most, were the, have a fag around the bike sheds when and they should have been in class, I already know it all, school is just crap, kids, who came from council houses with vote labour placards on them.
Some years later I saw one of these individuals who had been particularly mocking and nasty standing at a bus stop, whilst I drove past him in my new sports car! that I had worked hard and saved for.
We both recognised each other, and he looked a bit embarrassed and immediately turned away.
He had been given exactly the same schooling as me, and in all probability was much brighter, but brought down by what I refer to as the `council house mentality' that is the key difference between
those who support the left and the right, and I have seen nothing which leads me to change that view.

Apologies for prematurely sent off post.

Pan Pan Pan represents what I refer to as 'Wimpy housed, failed 11 plus, wannabee, narcissistic, paranoid, gotta have a new car, cut the lawn so the neighbors don't natter mentality'

Pan Pan Pan seems like a decent hard working bloke to me. I was brought up in a council house together with my brother. Mum was a single parent through no fault of her own. Let me tell you that being a single parent in the 60s was not something that was as readily accepted by society as it is perhaps today. Anyway my brother and I were told that we should do our best and that the only limits were those we imposed on ourselves. Brother went on to be a senior consultant orthopaedic surgeon and I have had a reasonably successful business career. No doubt you'll find a way to sneer at me too, but frankly I don't care.