Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse
Discussion
Mermaid said:
CMD sounding feisty... sounds like a war coming up.
Should have supported Assad, still not too late. Secular country, as was Iraq.
He's a tShould have supported Assad, still not too late. Secular country, as was Iraq.
t. War again!!We will never sort the problem that way. Look after your own first. Make the UK border like a fortress and don't mess in other's business.
croyde said:
He's a tt. War again!!
We will never sort the problem that way. Look after your own first. Make the UK border like a fortress and don't mess in other's business.
It's a hard balance isn't it, do nothing & there is the possibility of one of these "countries" developing nuclear capability & becoming an even bigger threat. Or meddle now and again (as we are currently) and get our fingers burnt repeatedly.t. War again!!We will never sort the problem that way. Look after your own first. Make the UK border like a fortress and don't mess in other's business.
Sorting out our own borders is a no-brainer though, however un-pc it might be
PoleDriver said:
So which company can we buy oil/petrol from, safe in the knowledge it didn't come from a muslim country?
Underscoring the problem perhaps - we have allowed ourselves to become dependent on countries/peoples that might have more than a thin vein of dislike for our way of life. Eric Mc said:
Yes - they were lovely places before all this Islamic stuff broke out.
Possibly not quite as much of an issue for those living here and in other Western countries though... Like croyde I think we should be sorting our own borders out and leaving the Middle East to sort itself out. Decide what it wants to be.
croyde said:
He's a tt. War again!!
We will never sort the problem that way. Look after your own first. Make the UK border like a fortress and don't mess in other's business.
Super glue all entry doors, zero immigration whilst essential maintenance is carried out & we have properly absorbed the recent influx and they can all read and write English and understand our culture.t. War again!!We will never sort the problem that way. Look after your own first. Make the UK border like a fortress and don't mess in other's business.
Let the UN sort out any stuff outside our borders. If the Muslims want to kill each other simply because their was a leadership issue centuries ago, do not get in the way.
Advise British people against going to countries where the dominant religion in that country promotes violence.
Mermaid said:
CMD sounding feisty... sounds like a war coming up.
Hope not. Firstly, it would be another unwinnable war IMHO. Unless the whole ISIS region got nuked, I can't see it having any positive effect. It will align others to the terrorists' cause, and has been said previously, they don't fight like a normal army anyway... they fight as cowards. They will simply 'disappear' into the civilian areas and continue a dirty war that way.Secondly, until we an strengthen our own land against illegal immigrants, then we are open to simply opening the door to more attacks here.
Get tough with immigration first... then make a decision regarding the terrorist issue.
Murph7355 said:
Possibly not quite as much of an issue for those living here and in other Western countries though...
Indeed, we have often cosied up to these tyrants in our own interests.Now that we have encouraged disruption and chaos in these countries - and now we are suffering the backlash.
Why bother looking and fighting overseas when it seems we have several thousand pro ISIS people here that left and of which many return. Don't waste any more time and money in that whole region. Better to sort out the cancer that has already spread to the UK first and surgically cut that out before it really spreads.
egor110 said:
Do the hotels in tunisia have the same seçurity as in the red sea?
2 armed guards at main entrance then long driveway to hotel entrance with a couple more armed guards?
I'd be interested what they were doing during the 30 mins matey was working his way up the beach and into the hotel, also are all there weapons accounted for?
don't bother with local security guards - they are either in the pay of the terrorists or run away at the first sign of trouble2 armed guards at main entrance then long driveway to hotel entrance with a couple more armed guards?
I'd be interested what they were doing during the 30 mins matey was working his way up the beach and into the hotel, also are all there weapons accounted for?
can't say I blame them for running away - they are not going to put their lives on the line for infidels/unbelievers
that's why the 'circuit' has contractors guarding hotels/buildings in muslim hot spots
So if it's muslims fighting muslims, what's the answer? Do we just let them get on with it, like those backwards Irish prot/cath ("but we all love da Lord") balaclava-wearing morons of the 70's and 80's? How many bombs and murders will bring an "enough is enough" moment? It's incredibly sad, and more than a little frustrating to hear people say "they're not real muslims". Well, to a lot of us, they are. We see little to convince us otherwise.
Mr_B said:
Why bother looking and fighting overseas when it seems we have several thousand pro ISIS people here that left and of which many return. Don't waste any more time and money in that whole region. Better to sort out the cancer that has already spread to the UK first and surgically cut that out before it really spreads.
Need to get rid of these too.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Sharia_Counc...
968 said:
Boydie88 said:
Is it not sunni vs shia? Although, both known as Muslims, they aren't fond of each other it would seem so to put them together and just say ISIS are slaughtering themselves, is just wrong.
No, it isn't just sunni vs shia. It's extremely complex with different tribes/sects fighting against Isis, not just Shias. Apart from anything else Shia's are Muslim too. The countries most affected by terrorist atrocities like Pakistan and Afghanistan are largely Sunni Muslim countries.ked up.If there was a god and he really was omnipotent don't you think he'd sort this s
t out once and for all?He's god, he's all powerful, he can be rid of an entire continent just as easily as he created it...
WinstonWolf said:
968 said:
Boydie88 said:
Is it not sunni vs shia? Although, both known as Muslims, they aren't fond of each other it would seem so to put them together and just say ISIS are slaughtering themselves, is just wrong.
No, it isn't just sunni vs shia. It's extremely complex with different tribes/sects fighting against Isis, not just Shias. Apart from anything else Shia's are Muslim too. The countries most affected by terrorist atrocities like Pakistan and Afghanistan are largely Sunni Muslim countries.ked up.If there was a god and he really was omnipotent don't you think he'd sort this s
t out once and for all?He's god, he's all powerful, he can be rid of an entire continent just as easily as he created it...
Mermaid said:
WinstonWolf said:
968 said:
Boydie88 said:
Is it not sunni vs shia? Although, both known as Muslims, they aren't fond of each other it would seem so to put them together and just say ISIS are slaughtering themselves, is just wrong.
No, it isn't just sunni vs shia. It's extremely complex with different tribes/sects fighting against Isis, not just Shias. Apart from anything else Shia's are Muslim too. The countries most affected by terrorist atrocities like Pakistan and Afghanistan are largely Sunni Muslim countries.ked up.If there was a god and he really was omnipotent don't you think he'd sort this s
t out once and for all?He's god, he's all powerful, he can be rid of an entire continent just as easily as he created it...
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Willy Nilly said:
I just dip in and oot of this thread so it may have already been said. Us going in and bombing people won't help and will probably just make it worse. Why not invite these people to come to the negotiating table?
There's a saying out here - 'The bigger the smile, the bigger the knife'.They're ignorant, arrogant, stubborn and full of themselves.
Tough to negotiate with.
Education is the only solution. All religious schools/teaching religious dogma should be banned.
This seems like a good start.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/us-brita...
This seems like a good start.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/us-brita...
Willy Nilly said:
I just dip in and oot of this thread so it may have already been said. Us going in and bombing people won't help and will probably just make it worse. Why not invite these people to come to the negotiating table?
Can they be negotiated with? I doubt it. It's not as if they are fighting to protect themselves. Going into areas where the inhabitants follow a different religion or offshoot of the same religion and telling them they must convert or die is not about protecting themselves. They are opportunistic conquerors who want the whole world to be under their control and for people to live their lives how IS see fit. Nothing to negotiate there. As far as self reflection goes, there are some elements of foreign policy that the West have wrong and could improve upon. This may reduce the amount of sympathy that some Muslims may have for IS but it won't do anything to appease the hardcore of IS who don't care how nice or unthreatening you might be, they want you to be like them or dead (see Yazidis).vetrof said:
Education is the only solution. All religious schools/teaching religious dogma should be banned.
This seems like a good start.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/us-brita...
100%. No matter the doctrine, there is no place in a progressive society for religious schooling.This seems like a good start.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/us-brita...
Get rid of it now, stop all funding, and get proper integration going.
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